#Official Defence Thread

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Re: #Official Defence Thread

Post by Vee » Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:29 pm

DCNS to set up its Australian headquarters in Keswick.
Yet to find out the details of the contract re build, jobs - in France and Australia, and particularly SA.
South Australia’s $50 billion Future Submarine Program continues to move ahead with French company DCNS establishing its Australian headquarters in Adelaide.

The new DCNS headquarters will be dedicated to delivering the Future Submarine Program in Adelaide and will open with a workforce of 50 in early 2017.
“The facility will become operational in early 2017 to support our activities around Australia."

“This will include transferring technology from France to Australia, the development of the Australian supply chain and the design of a new shipyard in Adelaide.

“We are planning from the beginning to maximize the participation of Australian business in this $50 billion project.
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http://invest.sa.gov.au/news/french-sub ... -adelaide/

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Post by rev » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:46 am

A new ship yard or expansion/modernisation/retrofitting of Osbornes submarine facilities?

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Re: #Official Defence Thread

Post by Vee » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:48 am

Turnbull was quoted as saying ... 2,800 jobs ... in joint Australia-France submarine build. No idea as to breakdown of jobs.

Meanwhile, just read this interesting item re WA shipbuilding, jobs and speculation re defence contracts - continuous shipbuilding capability plus ongoing maintenance. The proposed facility would make "WA first choice" for Defence and private shipbuilding.

... Marine and Defence launch $80bn shipbuilding facility in WA
Plans for a new, state-of-the-art shipbuilding facility have been put on display ...
The $80 billion, seven-hectare site .... will be primarily targeted at securing Naval Defence projects.
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https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/marit ... lity-in-wa

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Post by Pistol » Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:19 pm

Vee wrote:Turnbull was quoted as saying ... 2,800 jobs ... in joint Australia-France submarine build. No idea as to breakdown of jobs.

Meanwhile, just read this interesting item re WA shipbuilding, jobs and speculation re defence contracts - continuous shipbuilding capability plus ongoing maintenance. The proposed facility would make "WA first choice" for Defence and private shipbuilding.

... Marine and Defence launch $80bn shipbuilding facility in WA
Plans for a new, state-of-the-art shipbuilding facility have been put on display ...
The $80 billion, seven-hectare site .... will be primarily targeted at securing Naval Defence projects.
Defence Connect:
https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/marit ... lity-in-wa
Amazing the difference a b and a m make.
I first saw your post and thought "80 billion, holy shit!!"
Then opened up the link and saw 80 million... meh!

This is required for the OPV contract and will not affect SA.
Techport shipbuilding will receive a 300-500 million facelift in preparation for the first two OPVs and future frigates (more details to come early in the new year).
And on top of that, ASC North will receive a massive facelift for the future subs.

Don't think we need to be concerned too much with our shipbuiliding capability or capacity to win future contracts at this stage...
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Re: #Official Defence Thread

Post by qgm » Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:51 pm

Why have DCNS decided to setup their head office in Keswick ?

I would have thought Osborne would have been logical ?

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Post by SRW » Tue Dec 27, 2016 1:49 am

Or even Tech Park/Edinburgh in the northern suburbs where DSTO, SAAB, BAE, Raytheon etc are located.

The navy SA headquarters are also in Keswick, but few of the people DCNS will work with are there. Although, Alliance Française and good patisserie are just around the corner haha...
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Post by Will » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:30 pm

From Sky News:

A US tech start up comes to Adelaide

Updated: 3:06 pm, Tuesday, 10 January 2017







A firm that helps companies create and commercialise defence and security technologies to launch in SA.




One of the world's leading technology start-up accelerators is making its first foray into Australia by launching a defence and security program in Adelaide.

Techstars, a US-based company that provides support and funding to start-ups, says it's Adelaide program will help 10 companies create and commercialise state-of-the-art technology linked to defence and security.

The focus will be on new ways to use the 'internet of things', big data, sensors and robotics.

Defence Industry Minister Chris Pyne says the initiative aligns with the federal government's commitment to supporting defence innovation in Australia.


'This is a welcome and encouraging step for new collaboration across the defence industry, which will be critical to meeting the challenges of the future,' he said in a statement on Tuesday.

Techstars said Adelaide is poised to become a 'global centre of excellence' for the defence sector with more than $100 billion worth of industry projects in the pipeline.

But Techstars co-founder and co-chief executive David Cohen said that's not the only reason why the city 'fits the bill perfectly' for its first Asia-Pacific accelerator.

'It is a tech-forward city that is building sophisticated infrastructure for start-ups,' he said.

'Not only is it ranked by The Economist Intelligence Unit as the fifth most liveable city in the world, it has been recognised by the G20 for its co- ordinated support for entrepreneurship.'

Since it was founded in Boulder, Colorado, in 2009, Techstars has supported more than 900 start-ups through programs across the world, including Uber, Sphero, Twilio and SendGrid.

Early-stage companies can apply to take part in Techstar Adelaide until April, with the program to run from mid-July to October.

Companies involved will be connected with community leaders, mentors, investors and corporate partners, including top defence industry players BAE, Thales, Austral, SAAB, ASC, Rheinmetall and DNC.

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- See more at: http://www.skynews.com.au/tech/company/ ... ArOrR.dpuf

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Re: #Official Defence Thread

Post by mattblack » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:31 am

Does anyone know what the significant amount of development (extension of runway and a new industrial park/hangers) going on at Edinburgh is about?

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Post by SBD » Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:11 am

mattblack wrote:Does anyone know what the significant amount of development (extension of runway and a new industrial park/hangers) going on at Edinburgh is about?
Project AIR7000, to support the P-8 Poseidons that will replace Orions in the next few years.

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Re: #Official Defence Thread

Post by Pistol » Tue May 16, 2017 10:48 am

The long awaited upgrade to Techport has been announced.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/business/ ... 8c00b9bbe6

Exciting times for this precinct.
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Re: #Official Defence Thread

Post by rev » Tue May 16, 2017 9:41 pm

Sorry for the language, but they've lost their fucking minds and they think we are fucking fools..
Federal Defence Industries Minister Christopher Pyne has confirmed migrant workers would be needed for the $89 billion shipbuilding program but he said it would only be a “minuscule” percentage of the 5200 jobs created.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/business/ ... 7b9eefaa3e


Migrant workers? On a security sensitive work site, and project? Are they fucking insane?
Never mind the security issues, how many hundreds of fucking jobs have been cut from ASC in the past 12 months because of a lack of fucking work because the federal government wants to play political games with our nations security and our states future, and now they are telling us they are going to use fucking migrant workers to build our nations new naval fleet. How about trying to rehire those who've lost their jobs? This is Adelaide, there's not exactly a whole lot of opportunities going around for people looking for work. I bet a good percentage of those workers are still looking for full time work.

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Post by Norman » Tue May 16, 2017 10:19 pm

They will probably be specialists and people from DCNS, the company delivering the project. Sometimes workers who have experience in niche parts of the construction are needed, and sometimes they need to come from overseas. If the number is 20-50 migrant workers, I don't see a problem with that.

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Re: #Official Defence Thread

Post by Pistol » Wed May 17, 2017 12:54 pm

Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken

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Post by SRW » Wed May 17, 2017 3:11 pm

We're buying systems from other countries, Rev. This kind of technology transfer necessitates people from those countries coming here to inform the local build.

But you have a point, our SA representatives should hold the government accountable that every local opportunity is pursued to its fullest if they're gonna bill this as an investment in South Australia and Australia generally.
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Post by rev » Wed May 17, 2017 4:20 pm

I sure hope you guys are right.

But you should consider that when we built the Collins subs there were systems and/or components from abroad, same with the Hobart destroyers, and not once was there an announcement by the federal government of the time about migrant workers. Of course there were American's and whoever else that came for those systems to be integrated into the subs and destroyers.
Why are they now telling us that there will be migrant workers involved with the ship building program to come?
These people aren't migrant workers in the traditional sense, as in here to fill a skills shortage that the government is too lazy to invest in training Australian's to fill, these people come here because they are specialists with certain systems and components and that's part of the deal with using those systems or components from certain countries.
And if it really is just a case of those people being here for certain foreign systems, why didn't the Minister just say that and clear about it, instead of focusing on the fact(allegedly) that they will be a miniscule part of the 5,200 jobs created?

The job those people will be coming to do, for say the combat management systems from America, are jobs that can't be done by Australians because the systems are designed/built/etc in America and thus the specialist expertise lies there. By saying that migrant workers will be part of the jobs created, he is implying that jobs in building the ships and subs, electricians, welders, and so on, will be out sourced to migrants.
The work to be done by Americans with their systems to be integrated onto our ships, were never Australian jobs, and were never part of the 5,200 local jobs to be created.

So either the Minister is a moron and doesn't know what he's on about, is purposely or unintentionally misleading the public, or...they intend to use foreigners to do certain jobs that Australians could do. In which case they are trying to soften the blow ahead of a state election, or maybe Pyne stuffed up by even mentioning it in his excitement to say "look look Liberal party creating thousands of jobs in SA".
And if they know that a minuscule amount will be filled by foreigners, why can't they give us an exact or approximate figure or percentage? Where's the detailed information?

I dunno, maybe I'm looking into it too much. Just seems very very strange that they announced that a "minuscule" amount of jobs will be filled by migrant workers.

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