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Re: #Article: State needs 115 homes a week to cater for growth

#121 Post by stumpjumper » Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:22 pm

As said before on this thread, read the international report linked above goes a long way to explaining our very high land prices, and as has also been noted, having got the tiger of land supply manipulation, the government can't afford to let go.

The government and its developer partners continue to profit, while ordinary joes find the price of entry higher than ever as a multiple of average earnings.

It's called a distorted market, and in South Australia is the principal reason Adelaide's housing affordability index is 12th worst in the world, worse than New York or London.

Right in the middle of this, in SA, stands the government's Land Management Corporation.

From its origins in Don Dunstan's urban land bank, a body which was able successfully to deliver the most affordable land in Australia to Adelaide buyers, the land bank was seen by successive Liberal and Labor governments as a means to make money, culminating in the LMC monster which continues to spew cash into the coffers of the Rann government and the pockets of its favoured private partners.

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Re: #Article: State needs 115 homes a week to cater for growth

#122 Post by SRW » Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:32 am

stumpjumper wrote:Adelaide's housing affordability index is 12th worst in the world, worse than New York or London.
I don't dispute that Adelaide house prices are unsustainably high, but I feel it's necessary to clarify that that study looks at only the English-speaking world (to the exclusion of South Africa, even).
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Re: #Article: State needs 115 homes a week to cater for growth

#123 Post by stumpjumper » Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:50 am

Well, yes, SRW, but most Adelaide homebuyers aren't looking even overseas to buy, let alone outside the English speaking world.

However other (admittedly English-speaking) figures give a useful comparison of the situation in similar economies.

Ever been to South Africa, by the way? The land may be cheap; it's the fences that cost the money! :roll:

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Re: #Article: State needs 115 homes a week to cater for growth

#124 Post by Professor » Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:18 pm

The latest ABS figures show SA maintaining a population growth rate of 1.1%, which is a bit disappointing as it lags the other mainland States. Still, an increase of 18,000 people in SA over the past year is at least something to feel good about.

The SA population stands at 1,607,700.

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Re: #Article: State needs 115 homes a week to cater for growth

#125 Post by joshzxzx » Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:58 pm

Professor wrote:The latest ABS figures show SA maintaining a population growth rate of 1.1%, which is a bit disappointing as it lags the other mainland States. Still, an increase of 18,000 people in SA over the past year is at least something to feel good about.

The SA population stands at 1,607,700.
This figure is very interesting indeed..

It will be interesting to see if the figure of 1.1% increases due to the financial crisis.
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Re: #Article: State needs 115 homes a week to cater for growth

#126 Post by skyliner » Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:48 pm

Very interesting indeed! It should be noted that SA has been losing population for some years to the other states - to see a gain is encouraging - with more to come one would speculate.

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Re: #Article: State needs 115 homes a week to cater for growth

#127 Post by Will » Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:27 pm

skyliner wrote:Very interesting indeed! It should be noted that SA has been losing population for some years to the other states - to see a gain is encouraging - with more to come one would speculate.

SA - STATE ON THE MOVE
The state is still losing people to interstate migration. We had a net loss of around 4000 last year. What is allowing us to achieve positive population growth is a higher birth rate and vastly improved international migration.

And regarding the global financial crisis, I suspect that it will have a positive effect on SA, as I suspect that we will lose less people to WA and QLD in search for quick money.

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Re: #Article: State needs 115 homes a week to cater for growth

#128 Post by mattblack » Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:32 am

Will wrote:
skyliner wrote:Very interesting indeed! It should be noted that SA has been losing population for some years to the other states - to see a gain is encouraging - with more to come one would speculate.

SA - STATE ON THE MOVE
The state is still losing people to interstate migration. We had a net loss of around 4000 last year. What is allowing us to achieve positive population growth is a higher birth rate and vastly improved international migration.

And regarding the global financial crisis, I suspect that it will have a positive effect on SA, as I suspect that we will lose less people to WA and QLD in search for quick money.

Its not just SA that is having a net loss. Australia's birth rate is in general decline and the only thing holding us up is imigration. Why do you think the gov bought in a baby bonus and Costello said to have 3 kids (2 for yourself and 1 for the country). The polies can see sugnificant problems arising when the population in general is getting older. Basically will put big starins on health, medicare, housing. Should be interesting to see what happends when all the baby boomers drop off in a relitively short period of time.

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Re: #Article: State needs 115 homes a week to cater for growth

#129 Post by skyliner » Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:22 pm

Will wrote:
skyliner wrote:Very interesting indeed! It should be noted that SA has been losing population for some years to the other states - to see a gain is encouraging - with more to come one would speculate.

SA - STATE ON THE MOVE
The state is still losing people to interstate migration. We had a net loss of around 4000 last year. What is allowing us to achieve positive population growth is a higher birth rate and vastly improved international migration.

And regarding the global financial crisis, I suspect that it will have a positive effect on SA, as I suspect that we will lose less people to WA and QLD in search for quick money.
You are right will on all your info. However, the magnetic vortex of QLD and WA is rapidly slowing down. QLD is in huge trouble now - credit rating down from AAA to AA+ due to debts ($74bn). Infrastructure is still a mess as is the health system - LNP leader Springborg wants to close one of the hospitals. (State gov. election today - hung parliament a very likely outcome. We'll all just love that instability). SA stands to stop losing anything like the numbers of people it has to QLD. Again, I concur mate.

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Sustainable Population Growth Study

#130 Post by fabricator » Sat May 08, 2010 7:24 pm

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sout ... 5863815127
POPULATION growth will lead to Australians living "in a chook house" if we do not stop our "addiction to growth", a forum in Adelaide has heard.

Independent MP Bob Such aired his concerns, with others, at the Population Reform Forum yesterday, one of a series of debates held nationally and funded by prominent population growth opponent Dick Smith.

"In Australia for a long time, we've had an addiction to growth and it's time that we questioned that addiction and did something about it," Dr Such said.

"Problems caused by growth can't be solved by more growth.

"Do we really want to live in a chook house? And I can tell you it wouldn't be free range."

Dr Such was joined by SA Senator Nick Minchin, who criticised the business sector for seeing population growth as a way to increase the local consumer market. "I don't believe Government's role is to provide more customers for business to sell their widgets to," he said.

University of Adelaide geneticist Dr Michael Lardelli warned Australia was relying on imports for much of its fresh food and it was "game over" if the country ran out of resources.

Earlier, Business SA chief executive officer Peter Vaughan told The Advertiser he believed concerns about the effect of population growth on the environment were "a convenient hook to hang your hat on when you don't want to say what you really think".

The Sustainable Population Growth Study of almost 1400 Australians, conducted by consultancy firm TNS, warns there is a "need for greater government communication around how these challenges will be faced".
About time we see some discussion and studies into just what will happen with a bigger population. At some point all that PRIME farming land we built houses on will come back to bite us in the bum,

WTF @ the Business SA comment, clueless and self serving as ever it seems. Kind of sad really.

I'd rather see the money we spend on making the city bigger, desal plant, infrastructure, upgrades to main roads, spent instead on making the city better. More jobs, better public transport, hospital and school funding, replacing out of date infrastructure.

One big question though, what would our population growth be without all this heavy immigration. People leave Australia for good, people come and make it their new home, it should all even out but it doesn't at the moment.
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Re: Sustainable Population Growth Study

#131 Post by AG » Sat May 08, 2010 10:39 pm

fabricator wrote: I'd rather see the money we spend on making the city bigger, desal plant, infrastructure, upgrades to main roads, spent instead on making the city better. More jobs, better public transport, hospital and school funding, replacing out of date infrastructure.
This comment completely misses the point of why investment is made in upgrading existing infrastructure and in new infrastructure. The Desal Plant in particular is a key component contributing towards improving our water security and reducing dependence on the Murray. Have you ever heard of a world class city that has potholes everywhere on its roads? I do agree, however, that more investment is needed in other infrastructure, in particular social infrastructure in the education and health systems.
fabricator wrote: One big question though, what would our population growth be without all this heavy immigration. People leave Australia for good, people come and make it their new home, it should all even out but it doesn't at the moment.
When people think about Australia's population, most individuals only tend to look at the total figure and not at the individual components that make up the sum. The total population figure and rate of growth doesn't give us very much information about the full story behind what is actually happening. The majority of the population growth is concentrated in small areas of the country (the major cities and surrounding regions), most areas are not actually growing very fast at all and most parts of the country have population densities on par with Greenland. The other thing that the total population figure doesn't reflect are the issues regarding an aging population, which will result in a greater stress on existing health services and the working population regardless of population growth. As much as most people hate to admit, our lifestyles are a key factor as to why we have the infrastructure and resource issues that we have today, not simply the total number of people. The issue isn't simply a matter of whether we're heading towards overpopulating or not, it goes deep into the heart of how efficiently we use the resources we have, how we plan infrastructure to accommodate for growth effectively and whether our current lifestyles are sustainable.

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Re: Sustainable Population Growth Study

#132 Post by Prince George » Mon May 10, 2010 12:34 pm

I find myself in the unfamiliar situation of agreeing with Business SA about something involving the environment. The likes of Such and Dick Smith throwing up their hands and saying "where are we going to get enough water for these extra people?" (or electricity or whatever) ignores the fact that Australians are still using resources at a per-capita rate that's higher than practically anywhere that you'd like to be compared to. If we were actually serious about making changes, we might find that we've got plenty of headroom in our rate of consumption to reduce our total consumption at the same time as increasing the population base. Instead, they would appear to be doing not much more than defending the status quo.

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Re: Sustainable Population Growth Study

#133 Post by jk1237 » Mon May 10, 2010 6:55 pm

Prince George wrote:I find myself in the unfamiliar situation of agreeing with Business SA about something involving the environment. The likes of Such and Dick Smith throwing up their hands and saying "where are we going to get enough water for these extra people?" (or electricity or whatever) ignores the fact that Australians are still using resources at a per-capita rate that's higher than practically anywhere that you'd like to be compared to. If we were actually serious about making changes, we might find that we've got plenty of headroom in our rate of consumption to reduce our total consumption at the same time as increasing the population base. Instead, they would appear to be doing not much more than defending the status quo.
exactly right Prince George

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Re: News & Discussion: Population Growth

#134 Post by PeFe » Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:28 pm

Yes I know this is a near-dead thread.....but it is the correct one for the subject.

Article from Urban Developer regarding population growth in Australia.......and South Australia gets a special mention....for all the wrong reasons.
Eastern States Driving Population Growth: Latest Data

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It’s official – the latest ABS demographic statistics released today show the annual rate of population growth held steady at 1.4 per cent in the first quarter 2016.

However the Housing Industry Association (HIA) said the wide divergences between the states and territories remained.

The ABS figures confirmed that Australia’s population broke through 24 million during first quarter of 2016, with an estimated resident population of 24.05 million at the end of March. This was an increase of around 327,600 people over the year and amounts to 1.4 per cent annual growth.

Source: ABS

Full article : https://www.theurbandeveloper.com/data- ... est%20Data
Yes it does really state the obvious, low population growth, large outflow of talented people looking for jobs/careers interstate....

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Re: News & Discussion: Population Growth

#135 Post by Splashmo » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:18 pm

Unsurprisingly, Adelaide was the slowest-growing capital city in the latest stats put out by the ABS. Our population is 1.32 million though now.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf ... num=&view=

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