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[PRO] Re: Barossa | Oscar Seppeltsfield | 12 Levels
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:44 pm
by NTRabbit
GrowAdelaide wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 1:49 pm
Very much modelled on a wine decanter. I think its bold and beautiful and should be built.
I was thinking the same thing
[PRO] Re: Barossa | Oscar Seppeltsfield | 12 Levels
Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:05 am
by Nort
Nort wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:48 am
I quite like it, so long as it isn't too obtrusive on the views from other wineries around there.
We were in the Barossa recently visiting some local wineries. There seems to be a lot of push back against this project where they are all happy with the idea of a high quality hotel in the area, but the current proposal will stand out in the views from so many nearby wineries who market their tranquil views.
Tricky situation.
[PRO] Re: Barossa | Oscar Seppeltsfield | 12 Levels
Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:43 pm
by PeFe
Hasn't the Cube brought extra attention and tourists (which of course means more money) to the McLaren Vale wine region?
I think the Worm should be built.....why do people think that cookie-cutter inoffensive buildings that make up the upmarket accomodation and eating offerings in the Barossa make the aesthetic "better"?
Time to get out of your comfort zone Barossa people in this post-pandemic tourist restricted world.
[PRO] Re: Barossa | Oscar Seppeltsfield | 12 Levels
Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:38 pm
by Nort
PeFe wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:43 pm
Hasn't the Cube brought extra attention and tourists (which of course means more money) to the McLaren Vale wine region?
I think the Worm should be built.....why do people think that cookie-cutter inoffensive buildings that make up the upmarket accomodation and eating offerings in the Barossa make the aesthetic "better"?
Time to get out of your comfort zone Barossa people in this post-pandemic tourist restricted world.
The Cube is interesting but it's also different in that it is a much smaller structure. Also even before the pandemic it didn't bring them the business they wanted.
It's all well and good to tell them to get out of their comfort zone, but if it also makes many of the tourists who traditionally visit their businesses less comfortable then that's a big deal.
[PRO] Re: Barossa | Oscar Seppeltsfield | 12 Levels
Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:50 pm
by SRW
Aunty had an article about it:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-02/ ... t/12618826
Locals are trying to get the development reclassified at the ERD Court so it has to go to public consultation. Council supports it.
[PRO] Re: Barossa | Oscar Seppeltsfield | 12 Levels
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:35 pm
by rev
Someone proposes something unique and that would become an iconic structure and major draw card, and they cry and scream they don't want it. But they'll then be the first to complain that not enough South Aussies visit their region or that government should do more to support local tourism and businesses.
[PRO] Re: Barossa | Oscar Seppeltsfield | 12 Levels
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:44 pm
by how good is he
I think that’s the question, whether it is/will become an iconic structure. It’s a very subjective question. Also it’s based on a render and the actual could vary greatly (better or worse). Not sure who the architect is. Possibly if they were using say an internationally recognised company it may give some comfort. Possibly they should consider putting up a few different options, possibly an international design competition and let the public vote/decide?
[PRO] Re: Barossa | Oscar Seppeltsfield | 12 Levels
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:44 am
by Nort
rev wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:35 pm
Someone proposes something unique and that would become an iconic structure and major draw card, and they cry and scream they don't want it. But they'll then be the first to complain that not enough South Aussies visit their region or that government should do more to support local tourism and businesses.
Which of the local businesses that are concerned have you spoken to in order to reach those conclusions? It's perfectly ok (and indeed one of the jobs of local councils) to say no to a development if it's going to be harmful to the greater community.
I've been there and chatted to staff at the nearby wineries. They are all in favour of developments that increase attention on the region and don't want to be a sleepy backwater, they are worried about development which erodes the main reasons that people visit in the first place. Show the research to say it won't and most of them seemed like they would be totally happy with the development.
[PRO] Re: Barossa | Oscar Seppeltsfield | 12 Levels
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:42 pm
by mattblack
Nort wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:44 am
rev wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:35 pm
Someone proposes something unique and that would become an iconic structure and major draw card, and they cry and scream they don't want it. But they'll then be the first to complain that not enough South Aussies visit their region or that government should do more to support local tourism and businesses.
Which of the local businesses that are concerned have you spoken to in order to reach those conclusions? It's perfectly ok (and indeed one of the jobs of local councils) to say no to a development if it's going to be harmful to the greater community.
I've been there and chatted to staff at the nearby wineries. They are all in favour of developments that increase attention on the region and don't want to be a sleepy backwater, they are worried about development which erodes the main reasons that people visit in the first place. Show the research to say it won't and most of them seemed like they would be totally happy with the development.
I work up there and I call tell you there is a significant amount of community concern. It's a very traditional area with ideas of what the Barossa is stretching back generations. Very hard to change that mind set.
BTW it is
not Council's roll to say no to development that could be harmful to the greater community. They are not in the business of choosing winners. They must assess developments against what has been legislated in Development Plans, one of the reasons that the new planning code will be so interesting is that it does away with these documents.
I personally think its great.
[PRO] Re: Barossa | Oscar Seppeltsfield | 12 Levels
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:02 am
by Will
This was approved as per The Advertiser
[PRO] Re: Barossa | Oscar Seppeltsfield | 12 Levels
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:16 pm
by gnrc_louis
I can't post this because it's paywalled, but looks like rich NIMBYs win again:
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/subscrib ... nt-1-SCORE
[PRO] Re: Barossa | Oscar Seppeltsfield | 12 Levels
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:44 pm
by Nathan
Not about the Seppeltsfield proposal, but the hotel proposal in Tanunda.