#VIS: Inner-City Stadium/Riverbank Precinct

[Prince George]

It's also rather strange for the government, so insistent on revitalising the west end, to dump a whole bunch of sick people there.

Actually, this might not be as disconnected as you think. I don't think that I've seen it discussed before so perhaps now the secret can be revealed (drumroll please) ... the sick people don't contribute much to the surrounding area, but the people who are there because of the sick people do. The RAH has more than 4000 staff, and at any point in time maybe a fifth of them are on duty with people coming on and off shifts throughout the day, every day of the week. They're going to want to get something to eat, or shop for something, or run some errands, or whatever, and the area next to where they are working is a natural place to do it. It's the same with the people that are visiting the patients, they're not confined to beds and are quite able to do things in the neighbourhood. Think of all the offices in the city: an office is a pretty boring place, but they do give people a reason to be in the area, which is good news for the interesting stuff that's nearby. Cities are like ecosystems, they need a variety of things; you want things to do and people to do them. Places that are all entertainment are dead during the week just like office parks are on the weekends.

[rhino]

Wow .......... realism! Well done Prince George! I said something similar a few days ago. There are people on this board, however, who don't want to hear/read realism. They won't be in the area at midday on a Wednesday to see how dead the place is, they'll only be there when there's a game on and see how lively it is! You're quite right, hospitals work 24/7 and there is a constant stream of people coming and going. Some of the people here who think they have so much "vision" just can't seem to see what's real.

[Wayno]

Wow .......... realism!

Realism is just a warped version of surrealism - i know which i prefer...

The hospital vs stadium debate is based on a simple primitive human desire (at least a primitive western society desire), and has little to do with either building or how many people will be in the railyards mid-week. Sure, mid-week usage is important, but it's not what's driving Adelaide's desire for a stadium. Now close your eyes and imagine this (well don't close your eyes yet - read this first - then close them).

Imagine Adelaide is a human named "Adel". Now Adel has a few brothers and sisters named Sid, Mel, Brian, Pete, Darrin, and Obar (a bastard step child). Of course, the names have been changed to protect the innocent.

Now, most brothers and sisters have completed their education, found their niche in life, and are getting on with living. Most are married and are having lots of children - except for Adel (unmarried, fostering children instead) and Obar (well actually, everyone is worred about Obar's sexuality - why all the frilly clothes in his wardrobe?)

Adel is very successful compared to children in other families, but being in his 40s and having wasted his early years with a few stupid financial decisions (why o why did he invest in that pyramid scheme?!?) he urgently wants to make up for lost time. He recognises his biggest challenge is his low income compared to his siblings. So what is Adels strategy? well he figures he should stop telling everyone about his boring investment decisions (a simile for hospital) and instead get a personal life make-over (simile for stadium). So he gets a haircut, shaves the scraggy beard, whitens his teeth, buys a flash car, invests in sub-woofers (doof doof doof), and some clothes and cool sunglasses - voila, he's back on track!!! and he's even got a date this saturday night (oh yeah, better book that appointment for some "nasal delivery" performance meds).

So its really paying off. He's getting the attention he desires/deserves, and even some regular action. He's even acquired a higher paying job simply because his confidence is booming (it's a job in the mining industry digging big holes in the ground - simple but effective).

And it finally dawns on him - he's spending more on things that enliven his life AND he still has plenty of cash for the boring assets - what a reality check!!

[Strangled Cat]

Wow .......... realism!

Realism is just a warped version of surrealism - i know which i prefer...

The hospital vs stadium debate is based on a simple primitive human desire (at least a primitive western society desire), and has little to do with either building or how many people will be in the railyards mid-week. Sure, mid-week usage is important, but it's not what's driving Adelaide's desire for a stadium. Now close your eyes and imagine this (well don't close your eyes yet - read this first - then close them).

Imagine Adelaide is a human named "Adel". Now Adel has a few brothers and sisters named Sid, Mel, Brian, Pete, Darrin, and Obar (a bastard step child). Of course, the names have been changed to protect the innocent.

Now, most brothers and sisters have completed their education, found their niche in life, and are getting on with living. Most are married and are having lots of children - except for Adel (unmarried, fostering children instead) and Obar (well actually, everyone is worred about Obar's sexuality - why all the frilly clothes in his wardrobe?)

Adel is very successful compared to children in other families, but being in his 40s and having wasted his early years with a few stupid financial decisions (why o why did he invest in that pyramid scheme?!?) he urgently wants to make up for lost time. He recognises his biggest challenge is his low income compared to his siblings. So what is Adels strategy? well he figures he should stop telling everyone about his boring investment decisions (a simile for hospital) and instead get a personal life make-over (simile for stadium). So he gets a haircut, shaves the scraggy beard, whitens his teeth, buys a flash car, invests in sub-woofers (doof doof doof), and some clothes and cool sunglasses - voila, he's back on track!!! and he's even got a date this saturday night (oh yeah, better book that appointment for some "nasal delivery" performance meds).

So its really paying off. He's getting the attention he desires/deserves, and even some regular action. He's even acquired a higher paying job simply because his confidence is booming (it's a job in the mining industry digging big holes in the ground - simple but effective).

And it finally dawns on him - he's spending more on things that enliven his life AND he still has plenty of cash for the boring assets - what a reality check!!

LOL, love it mate! Well done and well said...

[mattblack]

Adel is very successful compared to children in other families, but being in his 40s and having wasted his early years with a few stupid financial decisions (why o why did he invest in that pyramid scheme?!?) he urgently wants to make up for lost time. He recognises his biggest challenge is his low income compared to his siblings. So what is Adels strategy? well he figures he should stop telling everyone about his boring investment decisions (a simile for hospital) and instead get a personal life make-over (simile for stadium). So he gets a haircut, shaves the scraggy beard, whitens his teeth, buys a flash car, invests in sub-woofers (doof doof doof), and some clothes and cool sunglasses - voila, he's back on track!!! and he's even got a date this saturday night (oh yeah, better book that appointment for some "nasal delivery" performance meds).

Adel's new found zest for life only becomes reality on weekends, he goes out kicks up his heels and does a bit of binge drinking. The girls love his modern and outgoing persona (stadium), unfortunately these same girls who were ready to breed like rabbits with him a few days beforehand now see Adel dressed in his scuffy weekday clothes, picking cans out of bins and smoking discarded cigarette butts. They look at him and think that a more balanced life would get him alot further (Hospital).

[rhino]

Well done Wayno and Mattblack

[Davo]

Here's Adel in the flesh.

[mattblack]

This thread is disturbing. I like it

[Wayno]

sorry for creating Adel. He's obviously a schitzo hyperchondriac with OC tendancies.

[Omicron]

It's also rather strange for the government, so insistent on revitalising the west end, to dump a whole bunch of sick people there.

Actually, this might not be as disconnected as you think. I don't think that I've seen it discussed before so perhaps now the secret can be revealed (drumroll please) ... the sick people don't contribute much to the surrounding area, but the people who are there because of the sick people do. The RAH has more than 4000 staff, and at any point in time maybe a fifth of them are on duty with people coming on and off shifts throughout the day, every day of the week. They're going to want to get something to eat, or shop for something, or run some errands, or whatever, and the area next to where they are working is a natural place to do it. It's the same with the people that are visiting the patients, they're not confined to beds and are quite able to do things in the neighbourhood. Think of all the offices in the city: an office is a pretty boring place, but they do give people a reason to be in the area, which is good news for the interesting stuff that's nearby. Cities are like ecosystems, they need a variety of things; you want things to do and people to do them. Places that are all entertainment are dead during the week just like office parks are on the weekends.

In theory I want to agree with this, but in practice I'm on the fence. I have a nagging thought in the back of my head that hospitals tend to be quite self-sufficient and insular - patients and visitors are there only because they have to be, not because they want to, and staff are obscenely pressed for time in their supposed 'breaks'. Five minutes down the road means five minutes back, which is suddenly a ten-minute fast-paced walk back and forth from Hindley Street, which isn't exactly the sort of destination I'd covet in my half-hour free time nor one that I'd bother to make in such a short period. It's true that a hospital would instantly bring an increased population to the railyards, but as Flinders (both private and public) proves, a close-knit collection of medical staff, patients and visitors does not necessarily guarantee a thriving environment around a large hospital.

[sacred_june]

Hate to get off the "Adel" metaphor train but i came across this on the Adelaidenow website

It seems to me like Mr Hamilton-Smith is being very Liberal with the price tag attached to the render (where have the train-tracks gone?)

[Port Adelaide Fan]

PREMIER Mike Rann has a very simple philosophy on the much-needed new city stadium. If everyone in football can get on the same page, he will think of building it.

Now imagine if Premier Rann had the same attitude with the new city hospital.

Even today, doctors, nurses, surgeons and even the staff in the flower shop at the old Royal Adelaide Hospital cannot agree on the move to the new hospital (the once-to-be-named Marj) on the western side of the Adelaide Railway Station.

But regardless of the public debate, he is building that hospital. The state needs it - and on this stance from the state's elected leader, there is no argument. The state also needs a new-age stadium - not just for the sporting benefits but also the much-needed image of Adelaide being a go-ahead city.

more
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/stor ... 28,00.html

[Shuz]

Conviniently the Government seems to have forgotten the - wait for it - railyards site!

And Santos Stadium too. That's a Government-owned asset. Wonder why that's been left off the radar?

[Wayno]

Stadium thread counter: 8

[rhino]

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Now imagine if Premier Rann had the same attitude with the new city hospital.


Yes, let's compare the need to replace a 150-year-old hospital that has been added to and tacked-on to ad infinitum and is still expected to be the premier hospital in the state, to the need to replace a 35-year-old stadium that is owned by another entity. Thank God Premier Rann had a different attitude to the hospital!