Moving the airport to a less populated area

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Re: Moving the airport to a less populated area

#16 Post by OlympusAnt » Sun May 31, 2020 9:53 pm

There's bigger priorities than airports
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Re: Moving the airport to a less populated area

#17 Post by rev » Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:50 am

OlympusAnt wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 9:53 pm
There's bigger priorities than airports
Of course but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be an overall masterplan for the entire metro area, where it will grow, where density will be increased and what infrastructure such as schools hospitals, and.. where motorways/expressways/freeways will run, where public transport of various types will run, how that will all connect and be integrated, and things like ports, ferry & cruise ship terminals, airports.

Im convinced there is no overall idea or plan, they just play it by ear.

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Re: Moving the airport to a less populated area

#18 Post by SBD » Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:40 am

rev wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:50 am
OlympusAnt wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 9:53 pm
There's bigger priorities than airports
Of course but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be an overall masterplan for the entire metro area, where it will grow, where density will be increased and what infrastructure such as schools hospitals, and.. where motorways/expressways/freeways will run, where public transport of various types will run, how that will all connect and be integrated, and things like ports, ferry & cruise ship terminals, airports.

Im convinced there is no overall idea or plan, they just play it by ear.
Cruise ship terminals need enough shelter and depth on the water side to be able to operate pretty much all the time, as well as both passenger and supplies access land side. Much of Adelaide's coast has gently-sloping beaches without a deep channel close to shore.
  • Port Gawler at the Gawler River mouth
  • Has the Torrens Outfall created a sustained channel at Henley Beach?
  • Holdfast Bay presumably has a channel leading from the Patawolonga outlet
  • Port Stanvac could presumably handle larger vessels but I don't know if they had to wait in rough weather.
  • There seem to be creeks at Marino, Hallett Cove and O'Sullivan Beach
  • Port Noarlunga has the Onkaparinga mouth
None of these appear to provide potential for a sheltered berth like Outer Harbor, and even that needs to be dredged every now and then.

There is also no plan for a modern port in the southeast of the state. Kingston, Robe and Beachport were once international ports, but now any freight needs to either cross the Mount Lofty Ranges to Port Adelaide, or cross the border to Portland.

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Re: Moving the airport to a less populated area

#19 Post by Ho Really » Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:27 am

SBD wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:40 am
Cruise ship terminals need enough shelter and depth on the water side to be able to operate pretty much all the time, as well as both passenger and supplies access land side. Much of Adelaide's coast has gently-sloping beaches without a deep channel close to shore.
  • Port Gawler at the Gawler River mouth
  • Has the Torrens Outfall created a sustained channel at Henley Beach?
  • Holdfast Bay presumably has a channel leading from the Patawolonga outlet
  • Port Stanvac could presumably handle larger vessels but I don't know if they had to wait in rough weather.
  • There seem to be creeks at Marino, Hallett Cove and O'Sullivan Beach
  • Port Noarlunga has the Onkaparinga mouth
None of these appear to provide potential for a sheltered berth like Outer Harbor, and even that needs to be dredged every now and then.

There is also no plan for a modern port in the southeast of the state. Kingston, Robe and Beachport were once international ports, but now any freight needs to either cross the Mount Lofty Ranges to Port Adelaide, or cross the border to Portland.
Moving the airport is the topic here. Anyhow...we've discussed this before about cruise ships etc. At present only Outer Harbor can handle large cruise ships (besides cargo). There's potential for Glenelg one day to be a ferry terminal and cruise port, but only for smaller (perhaps a max of 200 metre LOA) and expedition-style cruise ships. See Glenelg Ferry & Cruise ship terminal. Port Stanvac is deep water but not sheltered and would not suit cruise ships and most probably will never be used again. Kingston, Robe and Beachport are all unsuitable for any kind of ship unless it is a yacht with a shallow draught, probably max 1.5 - 2 metres. Portland is definitely the closest major port to the southeast and will probably remain so.

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Re: Moving the airport to a less populated area

#20 Post by Nort » Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:50 am

Ho Really wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:27 am
Moving the airport is the topic here.
An airport is just one part of the network of transport infrastructure, you can't really consider them in isolation from each other.

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Re: Moving the airport to a less populated area

#21 Post by SBD » Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:21 pm

Nort wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:50 am
Ho Really wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:27 am
Moving the airport is the topic here.
An airport is just one part of the network of transport infrastructure, you can't really consider them in isolation from each other.
I can see benefits in moving the passenger port somewhere else and reinstating a southeastern freight port from the landside perspective. My analysis was that neither of these would be viable from the water side.

I cannot see any reason to move the state's main airport away from its present central Adelaide location. It already has the relative advantages that people talk about being a problem for the interstate rail terminal.

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