Norman wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:23 pm
-A collapse of the Australian economy
Of course if we just put a stop to trade immediately without a plan or alternatives it will hurt the economy.
Nobody is actually advocating that that be done.
What is being advocated is bringing back manufacturing to Australia. Restarting our industries would see them using a great deal of our own resources that we currently export to China.
Seeking alternatives to China, such as the United States, Europe, Japan, India, would also greatly alleviate any loss of trade with China.
We actually export more to China then we import from them.
They're not even the biggest foreign investors in Australia. And that's why it all needs to be stopped now, before it's too late.
-A change of ideology from a market-based economy to a socialist/state economy
No it wouldn't.
It would be a state controlled economy, like Chinas, if the state remained in control of companies and industries.
In the immediate future, the government should where necessary step in and remove ccp ownership/leases/whatever you want to call it, as a temporary measure, and either float those companies on the market to the Australian public ala Telstra, or find interested investors from abroad that aren't ccp controlled entities.
Virgin Australia for example. Partly owned by the Chinese. But Virgin wants a government bail out. Well the condition should be that any Chinese ownership is removed if Australian tax payers money is to be used.
Another suggestion has been for the government to take an actual stake in the airline, because other countries governments do exactly that.
-World War 3
Unfortunately China is already planning and preparing for that as they believe that they will inevitably have a confrontation with the USA. Lets remember its China that is claiming the territorial waters of numerous other countries, building artificial islands, threatening to shoot down planes and sink ships including Australia's, and has ignored a ruling by the International Courts.
WW3 is coming, whether we reduce our trade with China and our reliance on Chinese manufacturing. Because the Chinese CCP regime wants that confrontation. It might happen in 5 years or 50 years, who knows but it is an inevitability at the moment because the ruling dictatorship of China believes it so and is making every preparation for it. Those preparations include corrupting our political system, it includes using soft power to try and muscle their way into our sphere of influence in the Pacific which this month saw China purposely delay the unloading of one of their military transports in Vanuatu to force the delay in the landing of a RAAF transport loaded with humanitarian aid after a cyclone hit the region. Our Pacific neighbours should look at what the Chinese CCP has done to Africa. That carrot attached to a string is often too good to be true especially when its held by a despicable regime like the ccp.
China shouldn't be completely banned or kicked out, as good as that might sound to some. I too have reservations about their actions and motives. But we need to manage this relationship, not detonate it.
So you would be saying the same things if it were the Soviet Union and not communist China? Because the only real difference is the USSR was portrayed as public enemy number 1, whereas China is portrayed as a reliable trading partner.
The CCP should absolutely be kicked out of everything to do with our national security and sovereignty.
I'm just curious to know, why do you guys actually think that the government and its agencies and such which advise it, decided to not allow Chinese tech companies to take part in the 5G roll out and NBN, and decided to remove any Chinese CCTV tech from government buildings and facilities?
Why do you think they don't use Huwaeii phones?
You guys do understand the nature of our relationship with the United States, the United Kingdom, the whole Five Eyes stuff?
I mean you guys do realize we are never going to swap the USA for China, regardless of how much trade there is...?
When push comes to shove.