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Re: The SA Politics Thread

#901 Post by Nathan » Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:15 pm

Not at all happy with Malinauskas as leader.

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Re: The SA Politics Thread

#902 Post by rev » Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:48 pm

Nort wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:53 pm
It's heartbreaking, we were on the path to be a global leader in renewables and all gone so that Coles can open later. :(
Gansu Wind Farm Project- 10,000 MW wind – China

BaihetanHydroelectric Project – 16,000 MW – China

Belo Monte Hydroelectric Project– 11,233 MW – Brazil

WudongdeHydroelectric Project— 10,200 MW — China

Adani Renewable Energy Park— 10,000 MW — India

Grand Ethiopian RenaissanceDam — 6,450 MW — Ethiopia

Dasu Dam — 4,3020 MW — Pakistan

TaSangHydroelectric Project — 7,110 MW — Myanmar

Tidal Lagoon Cardiff- 3,400 MW tidal – Wales, UK

Grand Inga Hydroelectric Project- 40,000 MW hydro – DR Congo

Asian Renewable Energy Hub (AREH) – 6,000 MW solar/wind – Australia (in WESTERN AUSTRALIA)

The TuNur project- 4,000 MW solar – Tunisia

Above, a snapshot of the rest of the world, and below, South Australia...which according to socialists was on the cusp of "LEADING THE WORLD"...with an earth shattering 1,400 MW of renewables across 31 combined sites :hilarious:


Ernabella Solar 0.22 MW
Geothermal in the Cooper Basin with 1 MW
Wind turbines in Coober Pedy with 0.15 MW
Wind turbines in Cathedral Rocks with 66 MW
Mt Millar wind with 70 MW
Hallett 4 wind 134 MW
Hallett 5 wind 52 MW
Hallett 2 wind 71 MW
Clements Gap wind 56 MW
Snowtown wind 100 MW
Waterloo wind 111 MW
Wattle Point wind 90 MW
Starfish Hill wind 34 MW
Canunda Wind Farm 46 MW
Lake Bonney 2 159 MW
Lake Bonney 3 39 MW
Lake Bonney 1 80 MW
McLaren Vale solar 0.2 MW
Pedler Creek landfill gas 3.09 MW
Glenelg Sewage gas 1.95 MW
Adelaide Airport solar 0.11 MW
Adelaide Showgrounds solar 1 MW
Highbury Landfill gas 1 MW
Tea Tree Gully landfill gas 0.98 MW
Anstey Hill (Hope Valley) hydro 1.9 MW
Port Adelaide sewage gas 1.9 MW
Wingfield II landfill gas 4.1 MW
Bolivar sewage gas 3.5 MW
Edinburgh Park solar 0.5 MW

U/C
Snowtown II wind 270 MW
Port MacDonnell wave 1 MW


Oh but don't worry folks, there's "plans" to build a 150 MW solar thermal plant. :lol:
The rest of the world is talking about projects in the thousands of MW, and here the socialist nitwits in Labor were talking(and probably still are talking) about baby steps. But hey, world leading according to the spin doctors. :hilarious: :toilet:

Oh sorry, I forgot that they put us up to be the guinea pigs for Tesla in a Simpsons Monorail moment. No wonder the Libs ran a campaign about getting respect back for our state, and won.

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Re: The SA Politics Thread

#903 Post by Norman » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:21 pm

Why would SA need a 10,000 MW windfarm when the peak usage has never been more than 3100MW? The average daily peak now is around 1400MW, which we can cover with our existing renewable generation, plus gas and battery storage as backup when the wind isn't blowing and sun isn't shining.

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Re: The SA Politics Thread

#904 Post by rev » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:01 pm

Norman wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:21 pm
Why would SA need a 10,000 MW windfarm when the peak usage has never been more than 3100MW? The average daily peak now is around 1400MW, which we can cover with our existing renewable generation, plus gas and battery storage as backup when the wind isn't blowing and sun isn't shining.
Why are we connected to the east coast with inter-connectors? :sly:

If the state gov. owned say a 2,000 MW plant of some kind, would the state not benefit by selling that excess energy to the east coast?

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Re: The SA Politics Thread

#905 Post by Norman » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:16 pm

Yes, but power plants are very expensive and make their return over many decades. There is also the issue of government intervention into a market, which might see private capital dry up in the generation space.

And interconnectors are great, but again very expensive. Power is also lost when it travels over long distances. Then you also have competition from generators interstate. It's a very complex market!

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Re: The SA Politics Thread

#906 Post by JAKJ » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:18 pm

It's not the overall size that counts its the % of generation within the grid. The real innovation and IP is in the control systems; how you mesh a large number of different renewable energy generation sources with storage and conventional generation to deliver power consistently, efficiently and cost effectively.

That is where we are leading the world in what is a multi trillion dollar industry globally. Also, Hydro - while renewable is effectively old-school base load generation in nature unless you add pumped hydro into the mix.

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Re: The SA Politics Thread

#907 Post by Spurdo » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:22 pm

JAKJ wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:18 pm
Also, Hydro - while renewable is effectively old-school base load generation
You make that sound like its a bad thing?

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Re: The SA Politics Thread

#908 Post by JAKJ » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:27 pm

Spurdo wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:22 pm
JAKJ wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:18 pm
Also, Hydro - while renewable is effectively old-school base load generation
You make that sound like its a bad thing?
I'm not putting a value judgement on it (though Hydro projects are quite destructive from an environmental point of view) just that it's not part of the mix of emerging renewable technologies that we are talking about.

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Re: The SA Politics Thread

#909 Post by crawf » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:11 pm

Nathan wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:15 pm
Not at all happy with Malinauskas as leader.
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Re: The SA Politics Thread

#910 Post by SRW » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:48 pm

Re: Malinauskas - surprised his heft is such that there are no other candidates. The factions in SA Labor must run things like a science. All I can hope is that new guard Catholic Right is not as hardcore as old guard.
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Re: The SA Politics Thread

#911 Post by SouthAussie94 » Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:35 am

rev wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:48 pm


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Snowtown II wind 270 MW
Port MacDonnell wave 1 MW
I'd check your data source. Snowtown II is well and truly constructed and has been operational since 2014.

I can't comment about the rest of your data but if there is this flaw, I'd imagine that there may be more.
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Re: The SA Politics Thread

#912 Post by Nort » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:09 am

rev wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:48 pm
The rest of the world is talking about projects in the thousands of MW, and here the socialist nitwits in Labor were talking(and probably still are talking) about baby steps. But hey, world leading according to the spin doctors. :hilarious: :toilet:

Oh sorry, I forgot that they put us up to be the guinea pigs for Tesla in a Simpsons Monorail moment. No wonder the Libs ran a campaign about getting respect back for our state, and won.
It's not about raw generation numbers, it's about the percentage of power generated and how it integrates to the overall power grid.

Love the nonsensical nature of your post, both trying to say that it wasn't innovative and on the cutting edge of the technology while also arguing that everyone else has already done it. :lol:

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Re: The SA Politics Thread

#913 Post by rev » Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:30 pm

SouthAussie94 wrote:
Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:35 am
rev wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:48 pm


U/C
Snowtown II wind 270 MW
Port MacDonnell wave 1 MW
I'd check your data source. Snowtown II is well and truly constructed and has been operational since 2014.

I can't comment about the rest of your data but if there is this flaw, I'd imagine that there may be more.
http://www.cleanenergycouncil.org.au/te ... y-map.html

Speak to them.

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Re: The SA Politics Thread

#914 Post by rev » Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:33 pm

Nort wrote:
Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:09 am
rev wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:48 pm
The rest of the world is talking about projects in the thousands of MW, and here the socialist nitwits in Labor were talking(and probably still are talking) about baby steps. But hey, world leading according to the spin doctors. :hilarious: :toilet:

Oh sorry, I forgot that they put us up to be the guinea pigs for Tesla in a Simpsons Monorail moment. No wonder the Libs ran a campaign about getting respect back for our state, and won.
It's not about raw generation numbers, it's about the percentage of power generated and how it integrates to the overall power grid.

Love the nonsensical nature of your post, both trying to say that it wasn't innovative and on the cutting edge of the technology while also arguing that everyone else has already done it. :lol:
Some of you seem to read/see things that haven't been said, quite often.
Pinpoint where I said South Australian Labor's push for renewables wasn't innovative or cutting edge.

:hilarious:

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Re: The SA Politics Thread

#915 Post by Nort » Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:01 pm

rev wrote:
Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:33 pm
Nort wrote:
Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:09 am
rev wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:48 pm
The rest of the world is talking about projects in the thousands of MW, and here the socialist nitwits in Labor were talking(and probably still are talking) about baby steps. But hey, world leading according to the spin doctors. :hilarious: :toilet:

Oh sorry, I forgot that they put us up to be the guinea pigs for Tesla in a Simpsons Monorail moment. No wonder the Libs ran a campaign about getting respect back for our state, and won.
It's not about raw generation numbers, it's about the percentage of power generated and how it integrates to the overall power grid.

Love the nonsensical nature of your post, both trying to say that it wasn't innovative and on the cutting edge of the technology while also arguing that everyone else has already done it. :lol:
Some of you seem to read/see things that haven't been said, quite often.
Pinpoint where I said South Australian Labor's push for renewables wasn't innovative or cutting edge.

:hilarious:
Autocorrect fail sorry, it's meant to say it was innovative, not wasn't.

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