What?rev wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 1:00 pmNobody is talking about military systems.Nort wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 11:39 amSeriously, just Google ITAR and read through the numerous stories about how that definitely is a lot harder than you think.rev wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 8:33 amMy initial comment about Tesla/SpaceX etc, wasn't for SpaceX rockets and his big shiny silver 'space ship' to be launched here, it was a general comment. Perhaps they could launch things from here. Perhaps they could use the Woomera range to do test launches. But what they could definitely do is do research and development here, manufacture components and other things needed.
We are the spot for the Australian Space Agency HQ right? SpaceX is working with NASA. Australia & the USA are best pals, much technology is shared between both countries.
Why is it such a bad idea to bring the biggest private space company to South Australia? Particularly when the guy behind SpaceX is behind Tesla and he built the giant battery storage at Jamestown...? There's already a connection with Elon Musk to SA.
In any case even if we were..
Australia is one of the few countries who has been given the AEGIS system for it's ships, specifically the Hobart class destroyers built here in Adelaide as well as on our future frigates. Australia is the only country which has certain other technologies shared by the United States that is currently also integrated into the Hobart destroyers.
We are receiving the F35 fighters, which only happen to be the most advanced fighter jets ever conceived and built. But sure you keep shouting ITAR ITAR ITAR, when we're talking about the civilian sector..(even though quite obviously the USA shares some of its top tech with our defence force already....)
Do you want to know how ITAR affects Australia?
People like you who are loyal ccp are prevented from getting a job at say ASC. Because there is the presence of US technologies such as the AEGIS system, therefore you are a national security risk not only to Australia but the United States.
That's what ITAR is about. Preventing US military technologies from falling into the hands of enemy countries, like China.
It's not designed to prevent close allied countries like Australia from receiving US military technologies.
Btw, Australia is already working closely with NASA on their next manned missions.
Australia has worked with NASA for 50+ years already.
Also I keep bringing up ITAR because it is 100% relevant and a major roadblock when it comes to international rocketry development. The difference between a civilian launcher and a military launcher is basically just what payload you stick on top.
It's interesting you mention the F-35, because one major controversy over that program has been the fact that the US won't share with other countries source code and other information on how the aircraft actually works, restricting the ability of many countries (including Australia) to do local development work on the platform.
International collaboration is not impossible, and if you had proposed a company like Boeing it would be more likely (although still extremely difficult), but negotiating around ITAR and other rules is a prolonged, delicate, and notoriously difficult process that brings lots of risk and uncertainty for the companies involved. For a company like SpaceX which seems to use an Agile-like system of production management it would be close to impossible.
Again, I 100% agree with you that proposals of this scale and boldness are needed, but in this particular case the more you argue for it for more it seems to show you don't actually understand what you are proposing.