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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#571 Post by rhino » Mon May 20, 2019 10:05 am

I have to admit I was blown away by the election result. The Government, which seemed so far out of touch with the electorate, apparently wasn't.

Although in reality, I suspect NTRabbit is correct. Our children will be so proud of us :(
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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#572 Post by rev » Mon May 20, 2019 3:41 pm

Only Labor and their minions are out of touch.

Hopefully Albanese takes the leadership and gets Labor back to their basics.

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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#573 Post by gnrc_louis » Mon May 20, 2019 6:21 pm

rev wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 3:41 pm
Only Labor and their minions are out of touch.

Hopefully Albanese takes the leadership and gets Labor back to their basics.
Lol why? Because they offered an in-depth policy agenda including more for education, health etc. through closing absurd tax loopholes (and a major contributor to the structural deficits we keep seeing) like negative gearing and franking credits? Because they proposed meaningful action on climate change?

The Coalition ran a fear campaign centered around tax and "but Bill Shorten is unlikable!" and it worked. Maybe Albanese can just run a popularity based "presidential" style (even though our system doesn't actually work like that) campaign in 2022 based around beer, wearing caps and footy lmao

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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#574 Post by SBD » Mon May 20, 2019 7:48 pm

gnrc_louis wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 6:21 pm
rev wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 3:41 pm
Only Labor and their minions are out of touch.

Hopefully Albanese takes the leadership and gets Labor back to their basics.
Lol why? Because they offered an in-depth policy agenda including more for education, health etc. through closing absurd tax loopholes (and a major contributor to the structural deficits we keep seeing) like negative gearing and franking credits? Because they proposed meaningful action on climate change?

The Coalition ran a fear campaign centered around tax and "but Bill Shorten is unlikable!" and it worked. Maybe Albanese can just run a popularity based "presidential" style (even though our system doesn't actually work like that) campaign in 2022 based around beer, wearing caps and footy lmao
I'm not sure which Labor person I heard on radio this morning who actually gave the electorate credit for understanding Labor's policies, and rejecting them. He said the public had understood what was proposed, and didn't like it, so Labor should go back to the drawing board and come up with something different. That is quite a different attitude to Tanya Plibersek who said that the policy was good, and people had not been given enough time to understand it, so when we do, we will like it.

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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#575 Post by gnrc_louis » Mon May 20, 2019 8:03 pm

SBD wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 7:48 pm

I'm not sure which Labor person I heard on radio this morning who actually gave the electorate credit for understanding Labor's policies, and rejecting them. He said the public had understood what was proposed, and didn't like it, so Labor should go back to the drawing board and come up with something different. That is quite a different attitude to Tanya Plibersek who said that the policy was good, and people had not been given enough time to understand it, so when we do, we will like it.
Sure many voters might not like those policies, but if they want a Government to provide a good level of services (most voters of course do), then unless they dramatically raise income taxes (obv they won't) or the GST, the government is going to continue running deficits. This isn't necessary a problem in itself (there's plenty of literature online by economists on why this is the case), but it seems like many voters do believe it is.

As the population ages, gov. healthcare costs, aged pension etc will just continue to expand, so how will a government reasonably expect to fund these increases without undertaking major reform? i.e. removal of negative gearing, franking credits etc.

At some point the federal government will need to implement major reform, or I guess alternatively they could just undertake in long-term massive spending cuts and provide far less services :lol:

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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#576 Post by Jaymz » Mon May 20, 2019 9:04 pm

I think one thing that sunk Labor towards the end was due to their climate change policies, particularly emissions targets. Not so much the policies themselves, but what the cost would be to the economy, jobs etc.

When pressed by the media about the topic on several occasions, he continually dodged around the answer or started getting hostile towards the reporter. Which to me could mean one of two things...... they had done zero modelling on what effect such policies would do the economy in the medium-long term, or the figures were so shocking that there was no way in hell they wanted to public to know.

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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#577 Post by rev » Mon May 20, 2019 9:39 pm

Jaymz wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 9:04 pm
I think one thing that sunk Labor towards the end was due to their climate change policies, particularly emissions targets. Not so much the policies themselves, but what the cost would be to the economy, jobs etc.

When pressed by the media about the topic on several occasions, he continually dodged around the answer or started getting hostile towards the reporter. Which to me could mean one of two things...... they had done zero modelling on what effect such policies would do the economy in the medium-long term, or the figures were so shocking that there was no way in hell they wanted to public to know.
Bill Shorten dodging questions was a running theme this election.
In fact it came out through Wikileaks that the Americans had picked up on this trait of his back in the Rudd government days.

I think it also comes down to people not trusting him. When you're asked where you're going to find the money to pay for all your grand promises, and you can't answer, or you are recorded saying that you cant say what you really think because there's microphones around, well...do you really expect to be elected to run the country?

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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#578 Post by NTRabbit » Tue May 21, 2019 7:30 pm

#LiarFromTheShire is trending on twitter, not because of any left attack on him, but because people are angry they aren't getting their tax cuts immediately, which should tell you most of what you need to know about the result in every state bar Queensland

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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#579 Post by rev » Tue May 21, 2019 8:03 pm

NTRabbit wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 7:30 pm
#LiarFromTheShire is trending on twitter, not because of any left attack on him, but because people are angry they aren't getting their tax cuts immediately, which should tell you most of what you need to know about the result in every state bar Queensland
Since when do we get anything promised immediately after an election?

#idiotsvoting should tell you everything you need to know.

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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#580 Post by HiTouch » Fri May 24, 2019 1:59 am

rev wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 8:03 pm
NTRabbit wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 7:30 pm
#LiarFromTheShire is trending on twitter, not because of any left attack on him, but because people are angry they aren't getting their tax cuts immediately, which should tell you most of what you need to know about the result in every state bar Queensland
Since when do we get anything promised immediately after an election?

#idiotsvoting should tell you everything you need to know.
The taxes sure seem to come in pretty quick....
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If the parklands are so important why dont they put it to a vote state wide? Or are they afraid the majority will back this hotel..

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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#581 Post by Nort » Fri May 24, 2019 9:25 am

rev wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 8:03 pm
NTRabbit wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 7:30 pm
#LiarFromTheShire is trending on twitter, not because of any left attack on him, but because people are angry they aren't getting their tax cuts immediately, which should tell you most of what you need to know about the result in every state bar Queensland
Since when do we get anything promised immediately after an election?

#idiotsvoting should tell you everything you need to know.
It was explicitly a Liberal campaign promise that the tax offset would be in place by July 1st: https://www.liberal.org.au/our-plan/lower-taxes

The fact they are already walking back on the timelines of their promises while votes are still being counted does somewhat reinforce the idea that they promised the world and made a brutally difficult budget forecast as a bit of a booby trap for the next incoming government since they didn't expect to be that government. :lol:

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