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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#571 Post by rhino » Mon May 20, 2019 10:05 am

I have to admit I was blown away by the election result. The Government, which seemed so far out of touch with the electorate, apparently wasn't.

Although in reality, I suspect NTRabbit is correct. Our children will be so proud of us :(
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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#572 Post by rev » Mon May 20, 2019 3:41 pm

Only Labor and their minions are out of touch.

Hopefully Albanese takes the leadership and gets Labor back to their basics.

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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#573 Post by gnrc_louis » Mon May 20, 2019 6:21 pm

rev wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 3:41 pm
Only Labor and their minions are out of touch.

Hopefully Albanese takes the leadership and gets Labor back to their basics.
Lol why? Because they offered an in-depth policy agenda including more for education, health etc. through closing absurd tax loopholes (and a major contributor to the structural deficits we keep seeing) like negative gearing and franking credits? Because they proposed meaningful action on climate change?

The Coalition ran a fear campaign centered around tax and "but Bill Shorten is unlikable!" and it worked. Maybe Albanese can just run a popularity based "presidential" style (even though our system doesn't actually work like that) campaign in 2022 based around beer, wearing caps and footy lmao

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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#574 Post by SBD » Mon May 20, 2019 7:48 pm

gnrc_louis wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 6:21 pm
rev wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 3:41 pm
Only Labor and their minions are out of touch.

Hopefully Albanese takes the leadership and gets Labor back to their basics.
Lol why? Because they offered an in-depth policy agenda including more for education, health etc. through closing absurd tax loopholes (and a major contributor to the structural deficits we keep seeing) like negative gearing and franking credits? Because they proposed meaningful action on climate change?

The Coalition ran a fear campaign centered around tax and "but Bill Shorten is unlikable!" and it worked. Maybe Albanese can just run a popularity based "presidential" style (even though our system doesn't actually work like that) campaign in 2022 based around beer, wearing caps and footy lmao
I'm not sure which Labor person I heard on radio this morning who actually gave the electorate credit for understanding Labor's policies, and rejecting them. He said the public had understood what was proposed, and didn't like it, so Labor should go back to the drawing board and come up with something different. That is quite a different attitude to Tanya Plibersek who said that the policy was good, and people had not been given enough time to understand it, so when we do, we will like it.

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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#575 Post by gnrc_louis » Mon May 20, 2019 8:03 pm

SBD wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 7:48 pm

I'm not sure which Labor person I heard on radio this morning who actually gave the electorate credit for understanding Labor's policies, and rejecting them. He said the public had understood what was proposed, and didn't like it, so Labor should go back to the drawing board and come up with something different. That is quite a different attitude to Tanya Plibersek who said that the policy was good, and people had not been given enough time to understand it, so when we do, we will like it.
Sure many voters might not like those policies, but if they want a Government to provide a good level of services (most voters of course do), then unless they dramatically raise income taxes (obv they won't) or the GST, the government is going to continue running deficits. This isn't necessary a problem in itself (there's plenty of literature online by economists on why this is the case), but it seems like many voters do believe it is.

As the population ages, gov. healthcare costs, aged pension etc will just continue to expand, so how will a government reasonably expect to fund these increases without undertaking major reform? i.e. removal of negative gearing, franking credits etc.

At some point the federal government will need to implement major reform, or I guess alternatively they could just undertake in long-term massive spending cuts and provide far less services :lol:

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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#576 Post by Jaymz » Mon May 20, 2019 9:04 pm

I think one thing that sunk Labor towards the end was due to their climate change policies, particularly emissions targets. Not so much the policies themselves, but what the cost would be to the economy, jobs etc.

When pressed by the media about the topic on several occasions, he continually dodged around the answer or started getting hostile towards the reporter. Which to me could mean one of two things...... they had done zero modelling on what effect such policies would do the economy in the medium-long term, or the figures were so shocking that there was no way in hell they wanted to public to know.

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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#577 Post by rev » Mon May 20, 2019 9:39 pm

Jaymz wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 9:04 pm
I think one thing that sunk Labor towards the end was due to their climate change policies, particularly emissions targets. Not so much the policies themselves, but what the cost would be to the economy, jobs etc.

When pressed by the media about the topic on several occasions, he continually dodged around the answer or started getting hostile towards the reporter. Which to me could mean one of two things...... they had done zero modelling on what effect such policies would do the economy in the medium-long term, or the figures were so shocking that there was no way in hell they wanted to public to know.
Bill Shorten dodging questions was a running theme this election.
In fact it came out through Wikileaks that the Americans had picked up on this trait of his back in the Rudd government days.

I think it also comes down to people not trusting him. When you're asked where you're going to find the money to pay for all your grand promises, and you can't answer, or you are recorded saying that you cant say what you really think because there's microphones around, well...do you really expect to be elected to run the country?

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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#578 Post by NTRabbit » Tue May 21, 2019 7:30 pm

#LiarFromTheShire is trending on twitter, not because of any left attack on him, but because people are angry they aren't getting their tax cuts immediately, which should tell you most of what you need to know about the result in every state bar Queensland

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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#579 Post by rev » Tue May 21, 2019 8:03 pm

NTRabbit wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 7:30 pm
#LiarFromTheShire is trending on twitter, not because of any left attack on him, but because people are angry they aren't getting their tax cuts immediately, which should tell you most of what you need to know about the result in every state bar Queensland
Since when do we get anything promised immediately after an election?

#idiotsvoting should tell you everything you need to know.

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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#580 Post by HiTouch » Fri May 24, 2019 1:59 am

rev wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 8:03 pm
NTRabbit wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 7:30 pm
#LiarFromTheShire is trending on twitter, not because of any left attack on him, but because people are angry they aren't getting their tax cuts immediately, which should tell you most of what you need to know about the result in every state bar Queensland
Since when do we get anything promised immediately after an election?

#idiotsvoting should tell you everything you need to know.
The taxes sure seem to come in pretty quick....
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If the parklands are so important why dont they put it to a vote state wide? Or are they afraid the majority will back this hotel..

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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#581 Post by Nort » Fri May 24, 2019 9:25 am

rev wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 8:03 pm
NTRabbit wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 7:30 pm
#LiarFromTheShire is trending on twitter, not because of any left attack on him, but because people are angry they aren't getting their tax cuts immediately, which should tell you most of what you need to know about the result in every state bar Queensland
Since when do we get anything promised immediately after an election?

#idiotsvoting should tell you everything you need to know.
It was explicitly a Liberal campaign promise that the tax offset would be in place by July 1st: https://www.liberal.org.au/our-plan/lower-taxes

The fact they are already walking back on the timelines of their promises while votes are still being counted does somewhat reinforce the idea that they promised the world and made a brutally difficult budget forecast as a bit of a booby trap for the next incoming government since they didn't expect to be that government. :lol:

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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#582 Post by rev » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:19 am

SA Liberal MP Nicolle Flint reveals toll of personal attacks during 2019 Federal Election campaign
Mitch Mott, The Advertiser
July 17, 2019 10:36pm

SA Liberal backbencher Nicolle Flint has spoken of being terrorised by lobby group GetUp!, claiming members set out to destroy her during the federal election campaign.

Ms Flint has said in an interview in The Australian on Thursday that the attack was so “toxic” many people might now be afraid to enter politics.

She told how the abuse reached a point where she feared for her safety.

“This was a campaign to destroy me personally, a concerted attack to destroy me mentally,” Ms Flint said.

“We regard ourselves as an open and civil society. Instead, I ended up feeling unsafe for much of the campaign.”

Ms Flint’s office was egged, her posters defaced and she was forced to call in police after she was the victim of stalking.

The seat of Boothby, in Adelaide’s south, was identified by the activist group as one of the Liberal Party’s most vulnerable.

Ms Flint, alongside other conservative politicians including Peter Dutton, Tony Abbott and Kevin Andrews, became a target of the group.

Ms Flint reported the stalking incidents in May, resulting in two men, aged 40 and 64, being reported and cautioned.

One of the men, Clarence Gardens resident David Walsh, denied any wrong-doing despite reportedly attending numerous events run by Ms Flint and taking photos of her.

He was spotted taking photos of Ms Flint through the window of a community event at Blackwood.

He also posted photos of Ms Flint on his personal social media account taken during Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s visit to Adelaide.
Of course she felt unsafe, GetUp is a socialist militant group with foreign funding. They should be shut down as a threat to our democracy.
Remember the outrage over allegations One Nation met with the NRA, apparently to fund pro-gun laws.
Imagine if a far right wing activist group started targeting Labor and Greens politicians. They would instantly be labeled neo nazis and accused of trying to start the fourth reich in Australia. Especially if funding came from foreign far right groups.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sou ... 41e00f402a

If you can access that article, there's a video at the top of it that shows spending by various federal politicians. For those who cant..

Bill Shorten was costing the Australian tax payer $271,161 every single month on average as opposition leader.
Scott Morrison as Prime Minister is costing us $216,455 a month on average.
Bob Katter spent $104,578 on COMCAR travel expenses.
Warren Snowdon in Alice from Labor, cost taxpayers $22,618 just on his phone bill.
Greens MP Adam Bandt put the cost of a dent in his personal car on the tax payer, $454.
Malcom Turnbull has claimed $4501 for office and staff expenses since leaving parliament.
Mathias Corman's family travel bill, $34,997.
Fraser Anning claimed $5,000 to travel to Tassie to launch the branch of his party down there.

Get paid hundreds of thousands annually as a salary courtesy of the tax payer. Still hit up the tax payer for claims despite being able to afford to pay for it with the generous tax payer funded salary.

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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#583 Post by rhino » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:56 am

rev wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:19 am
GetUp is a socialist militant group with foreign funding. They should be shut down as a threat to our democracy.
Got any proof of this?

Or do we just add it to the growing list of Rev's Outrageous Opinions?

From what I can see, (and this is not an opinion, it's what I found when I looked into what they were doing), GetUp is an apolitical vehicle for the people of Australia to use to (try to) achieve particular goals. The group is growing and growing, and more power to them - through being able to get common people to lobby politicians (and we all know that big business certainly lobbies politicians) they are actually more democratic than any of the political parties on offer at the moment.
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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#584 Post by rev » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:19 am

rhino wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:56 am
rev wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:19 am
GetUp is a socialist militant group with foreign funding. They should be shut down as a threat to our democracy.
Got any proof of this?

Or do we just add it to the growing list of Rev's Outrageous Opinions?

From what I can see, (and this is not an opinion, it's what I found when I looked into what they were doing), GetUp is an apolitical vehicle for the people of Australia to use to (try to) achieve particular goals. The group is growing and growing, and more power to them - through being able to get common people to lobby politicians (and we all know that big business certainly lobbies politicians) they are actually more democratic than any of the political parties on offer at the moment.
You looked into it and that's all you found? So do we take the conclusion that either 1) you're not very good at research, or 2) you're a member of getup, or 3) you'll say anything and ignore inconvenient facts to argue with Rev..?

I wont post it just yet, as it's very easy to find that they receive foreign funding. Let's see if you can improve your research skills (ie stop cherry picking)

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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#585 Post by rhino » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:07 am

LOL I'm cherry picking. And you're not supplying a source.

This goes in the Rev's Outrageous Opinions box until you do.

I suppose the three times the courts looked into GetUp last year, at the instigation of Tony Abbott, Eric Abetz, Peter Dutton, etc, the courts cherry picked too? They found GetUp to be a legitimate apolitical group, remember?

Your rhetoric actually reminds me of Eric Abetz
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