Another widespread power outage in SA

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Re: Another widespread power outage in SA

#181 Post by JAKJ » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:01 pm

monotonehell wrote:
mshagg wrote:EDIT: Lol Jay crashes the presser and unloads on Frydenberg on live TV

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-16/j ... ws/8359074
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About time someone called out Frydenberg, Turnbull, et al on their contradictory rhetoric and failures.
Thoroughly enjoyed this as well.

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Re: Another widespread power outage in SA

#182 Post by SRW » Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:34 pm

It's disappointing though how much of Turnbull & co's misinformation around SA's energy transition is allowed to go unchallenged in the media. They're barefaced liars on the matter.As churlish as Weatherill's gatecrash might come across, they needed to be called out and in some ways I wish he'd been even more scathing.
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Re: Another widespread power outage in SA

#183 Post by citywatcher » Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:44 pm

Couldn't agree more
Bunch of entitled elitists driven by outdated agendas . Amateurish embarrassing policy on the run to make it look like they care and have a fucken idea. 60/40 at next election .

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Re: Another widespread power outage in SA

#184 Post by claybro » Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:37 pm

That's not how it's being viewed interstate... by anyone. For the premier of the state that consistently holds its hand out to the Federal government for funding, to hold the Feds accountable for this whole mess is not a good look. Seems all south Aussies are quick to absolve jay and his team for any problems with the power in SA. There has been nothing preventing the state building, maintaining or renewing its own power generation up til now. They saw a quick, cheap out with the construction of hundreds of wind turbines by private operators and dressed it up as environmental greenwash. The panic is only on now, because every other state is going down the renewable path, and there is diminishing power left to share. Power was, and still is a state government responsibility from whatever source.

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Re: Another widespread power outage in SA

#185 Post by Nathan » Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:57 pm

claybro wrote:That's not how it's being viewed interstate... by anyone. For the premier of the state that consistently holds its hand out to the Federal government for funding, to hold the Feds accountable for this whole mess is not a good look. Seems all south Aussies are quick to absolve jay and his team for any problems with the power in SA. There has been nothing preventing the state building, maintaining or renewing its own power generation up til now. They saw a quick, cheap out with the construction of hundreds of wind turbines by private operators and dressed it up as environmental greenwash. The panic is only on now, because every other state is going down the renewable path, and there is diminishing power left to share. Power was, and still is a state government responsibility from whatever source.
Are you sure? Most of the interstate discussion I've seen from all but the Murdoch press has been on the side of Weatherill.

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Re: Another widespread power outage in SA

#186 Post by citywatcher » Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:00 pm

By who the murdoch press ? Truth is the feds don't know don't care and just want to look like they do. Renewable energy is not the problem the national grid is and that is a commonwealth responsibility. Jay was correct. He called them out on it and is trying to find a solution.

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Re: Another widespread power outage in SA

#187 Post by Llessur2002 » Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:10 pm

claybro wrote:That's not how it's being viewed interstate... by anyone.
Really? The vast majority of my interstate friends seem very supportive of the Premier's reaction judging by all the various emoticons I've seen on social media today.

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Re: Another widespread power outage in SA

#188 Post by bits » Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:15 pm

Why would South Australians care what interstate people view a situation like this?

SA holds its hand out as much as any state for funding. SA gets a bigger take of GST than some other states but that is because of a formula all states agreed to.
When it comes to funding of actual infrastructure SA is not funded any better than other states, eg SA does not get a 2 billion dollar investment in a hydro system.

Apparently the Nsw and Vic states require federal funding for their base load power but SA does not?

Jay Weatherill dealt with this situation perfectly. Josh ha been talking nonsense for months and he was finally called out for it.

Reminder not once has SA lost power because of lack of capacity to generate power.
Closing Port Augusta, adding wind farms and solar panels has not yet lead to a state which lacks the capacity to generate enough power.

What we have had is faults caused by crap infrastructure in the interconnectors which were added so SA could participate in the NEM.
We have had failure of transmission lines to Port Augusta due to a violent storm. These are the same transmission lines that Port Augusta power station was connected to Adelaide via.
We have had AEMO unable to correctly forecast the weather or wind and the NEM being unable to convince generators to generate.


The interconnectors suck and the NEM is broken. That is what SA is planning to fix.
Have ability to force generators to generate.
Have pricing system that prefers local generation over power from dodgy extension leads.
Have capacity to replace the capacity previously offered over the dodgy extension leads.

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Re: Another widespread power outage in SA

#189 Post by bits » Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:25 pm

And remember nsw was the state that was unable to generate enough power due to lack of capacity.
Nsw was at 100% available capacity, was short and had load shedding even after telling everyone the day before that they would come up short and to please reduce load. Nsw came up short because of lack of capacity not SA.

SA had load shedding of 100MW for 30 minutes because the NEM is broken and AEMO screwed up. Nothing to do with "intermittent" wind power. Everything to do with not turning on gas power when they should.
NSW had load shedding of 300MW for 60 minutes because they lack capacity to generate enough power. NSW has magical coal power and very little wind power. NSW actually suffered from the problem people incorrectly think SA has, not enough generators.

The dodgy interconnectors are what keeps Pelican Point offline and closed Port Augusta.
Remove the interconnectors and magically all the previous generators will be on.
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Re: Another widespread power outage in SA

#190 Post by AroundADL » Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:58 pm

It was extremley refreshing to see a leader of our State bat in for the people! Frydenburg clearly had egg on his face!

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Re: Another widespread power outage in SA

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Re: Another widespread power outage in SA

#192 Post by SRW » Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:31 pm

claybro wrote:That's not how it's being viewed interstate... by anyone.
I'm not sure you've looked all that broadly. I've been scoping out pretty much all of the coverage tonight and most either hail Weatherill as winner of the altercation or call it a draw. Very few portray Weatherall poorly.

And besides that, if you want to talk lack of accountability regarding energy policy, look no further than Turnbull and the Coalition.
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Re: Another widespread power outage in SA

#193 Post by claybro » Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:23 pm

bits wrote:Why would South Australians care what interstate people view a situation like this?
Because we all want to be proud of our state and not constantly fending off criticism founded or otherwise.
bits wrote:SA holds its hand out as much as any state for funding.
not true it gets far more per head of population in federal funding and defence contracts.
bits wrote: SA gets a bigger take of GST than some other states but that is because of a formula all states agreed to.
/you just contradicted your last point.
bits wrote:Reminder not once has SA lost power because of lack of capacity to generate power.
If SA was able to generate enough of its own power at the time of the last blackout, it would not have been sucking merrily on the Vic interconnector. There was virtually NO wind power being generated on that hot afternoon.
bits wrote:Apparently the Nsw and Vic states require federal funding for their base load power but SA does not?
SA has built wind farms with federal money.
bits wrote:Closing Port Augusta, adding wind farms and solar panels has not yet lead to a state which lacks the capacity to generate enough power.
Lack of thermal baseload power is causing the intermittent shortages, so yes, closing Port Augusta has contributed to the problem.
bits wrote:The interconnectors suck and the NEM is broken
Agree the NEM is broken, but the interconnections are what keeps the lights on at present. They are about to become irrelevant once the Victorian thermal generators close.
bits wrote:NSW actually suffered from the problem people incorrectly think SA has, not enough generators.
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probably yes, because like the rest of Australia, state governments have not bee constructing enough thermal power stations, despite a doubling of population in the last 40 years.
bits wrote:Remove the interconnectors and magically all the previous generators will be on.
Except the ones closed and decommissioned, due to the "free" power in the system during optimal wind generation .

Not 1 acknowledgement that renewable generation has created instability, which ironically even jay has acknowledged because his solution to the current issue is not more wind farms, but THERMAL gas generation.

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Re: Another widespread power outage in SA

#194 Post by BradJC » Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:29 pm

What I find amusing is that Weatherill completey stole the show away from the Libs. Look at all the news websites and other coverage today that focussed on this, completely deprioritising 'Snowy Hydro 2.0' coverage.

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Re: Another widespread power outage in SA

#195 Post by citywatcher » Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:49 pm

Measuring funding on a per capita basis is meaningless . General funding is not the same as GST cut so no he hasn't contradicted himself . The continual furphy that renewables are the problem is very annoying. The grid system IS the problem. The system is unable to generate enough power because non renewables are no longer efficient enough and the system is of course manipulated for maximum profit of suppliers. Therefore SA is the first to be cut off in favor of bigger users. That makes your own argument contradictory.

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