2018 South Australian State Election

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Who will receive your first preference vote in the 2018 State Election?

Poll ended at Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:28 am

Labor
36
73%
Liberal
5
10%
SA Best
2
4%
Greens
1
2%
Nationals
0
No votes
Conservatives
2
4%
Dignity
2
4%
One Nation
0
No votes
Independent
0
No votes
Other
1
2%
 
Total votes: 49

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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#346 Post by citywatcher » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:47 pm

Waewick wrote:
citywatcher wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:43 pm
JAKJ wrote: I don't see how bringing up either Cory Bernardi or Jo Chapley's personal political choices re their party affiliations is relevant to the South Australian Liberal Party power base. I would be happy to change my mind if you can provide a logical argument against what I have put forward and would be overjoyed to be proven wrong for the sake of this State.

Do you honestly believe the Premier having worked in management and directorial positions with the Michell family corporations that they and their like will not have a significant influence on Liberal government policy? Can you show me how the Liberal Party's announced economic measures do not revolve around exactly what I have put forward, cuts to land taxes, payroll tax and the emergency services levy?

I hope that Marshall is able to show vision beyond this, however his stated willingness to tear up the agreement on the Virtual Power Network - a project that requires minimal government funds/ exposure to deliver external capital investment, the manufacturing of high-value components in SA and the establishment of a significant global business's office in South Australia - for the sake of a political point suggests against this.
Don't hold your breath waiting for an articulate reply. When it comes to that side of politics there simply isn't one.

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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#347 Post by citywatcher » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:50 pm

I did say an articulate response
You certainly didn't provide that
Just assumptions generalisations which don't need factual verification

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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#348 Post by citywatcher » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:15 pm

To that I will add in talking to a couple of not your average liberal supporters today they did respond that they did regard him as a puppet and a failed businessman
That's why he got into politics

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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#349 Post by Waewick » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:22 pm

citywatcher wrote:To that I will add in talking to a couple of not your average liberal supporters today they did respond that they did regard him as a puppet and a failed businessman
That's why he got into politics

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Whats your point?

I spoke to quite a few not your average Labor voters over the weekend who thought Labor SA had taken the state backwards.

It takes all sorts.

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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#350 Post by citywatcher » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:24 pm

Waewick wrote:
citywatcher wrote:To that I will add in talking to a couple of not your average liberal supporters today they did respond that they did regard him as a puppet and a failed businessman
That's why he got into politics

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Whats your point?

I spoke to quite a few not your average Labor voters over the weekend who thought Labor SA had taken the state backwards.

It takes all sorts.
I think if you read jaymz post my point will be pretty clear
As to your point BULLSHIT

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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#351 Post by Waewick » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:24 pm

citywatcher wrote:I did say an articulate response
You certainly didn't provide that
Just assumptions generalisations which don't need factual verification

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It was quite articulate.

The posts where literally ramblings, not far off the rest of this thread i guess.

Anyway, back to the election Sandserson has snuck ahead again in Adelaide. Talk about a nail biter.


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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#352 Post by Waewick » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:26 pm

citywatcher wrote:
Waewick wrote:
citywatcher wrote:To that I will add in talking to a couple of not your average liberal supporters today they did respond that they did regard him as a puppet and a failed businessman
That's why he got into politics

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Whats your point?

I spoke to quite a few not your average Labor voters over the weekend who thought Labor SA had taken the state backwards.

It takes all sorts.
I think if you read jaymz post my point will be pretty clear
As to your point BULLSHIT

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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#353 Post by citywatcher » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:30 pm

Waewick wrote:
citywatcher wrote:
Waewick wrote:Whats your point?

I spoke to quite a few not your average Labor voters over the weekend who thought Labor SA had taken the state backwards.

It takes all sorts.
I think if you read jaymz post my point will be pretty clear
As to your point BULLSHIT

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It is becoming quite clear you need someone else to make your point for you.
You talk absolute crap
The devices you use are quite clear but you forget you are constantly replying to my posts
If I have no points to make you wouldn't bother
You are just a troll who often goes back on his previous posts
Go ahead
Contradict any of the above without making an actual valid point yourself

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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#354 Post by Waewick » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:54 pm

Look im happy to leave this here, it was humorous for a while but i can see you are agitated.

Discussion politics on a internet forum is all a matter of opinion and the validity of my points is in the eye of the beholder. Disagreeing with me doesn't make me a troll.

Also both of you have chosen to post ideological opinions, thats fine. But you can't scream at others for responding in kind.

Anyway, enjoy the next 4 years, they could be awful or they could be fine. I'll let their actions do the talking and the ballot box will be the judge.

Apologies to the other posters for extending the thread for too far.





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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#355 Post by Nort » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:19 pm

Yeah, ffs.

I agree with what seems to be the majority of posters on this forum: anyone voting Labor out made the wrong decision.

At the same time though I don't think that 50% of this state actively went "lol, let's fuck things up" which means a majority of voters did what they think is best for SA.

Hopefully they were right. I don't think so and am worried what is going to happen the next few years, but in my mind the best possible outcome is if 4 years from now I am considering working to re-elect Marshall due to the growth of SA so I will hope he does a great job.

It's possible to very much disagree with people's end conclusions without thinking they are bad people for having reached them.

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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#356 Post by Nathan » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:48 pm

Waewick wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:24 pm
Anyway, back to the election Sandserson has snuck ahead again in Adelaide. Talk about a nail biter.
Having a look at the ballot box numbers, it's clear to see why she petitioned so hard to keep Walkerville in her electorate with the boundary changes - if it wasn't for there, she'd certainly have lost her seat to Chapley. (She's done well in North Adelaide and through the Fitzroy/Thorngate/Medindie area, but Walkerville is her biggest margin, and with a very large number of voters).

https://results.ecsa.sa.gov.au/pbr?id=801

Does anyone know why pre-polls almost always favour the Liberals? What kind of demographics are at play there?

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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#357 Post by Joelmark » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:09 am

Pre-poll votes tend to be cast by people who are older, retirees and will be on holiday on polling day, or people working overseas or interstate, on the day of the actual election - broad generalisation here, but those people in a seat with the demographics of Adelaide would tend to be fairly secure financially and strongly Liberal - hence why the state Libs always make a big push for these votes at the pre-poll station.
Sanderson should now go on to win the seat with a small if comfortable margin - she's now at 51.5 on two-party preferred basis.

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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#358 Post by JAKJ » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:04 am

Waewick wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:42 pm

Unfortunately SA liberals and their backers tend to be the worst kind of liberals given the continued predominance of a number of families who haven't done anything significant or productive since the land booms in the 1890s and now ride high on the hard work of their great-great grand parents.

Marshall's CV is particularly uninspiring - running the family business into the ground to then sold off, before decamping to work for the Michells. His idea of economic reform will be cutting taxes for his buddies who rely on their extensive property portfolios for income (land tax, emergency services levy etc.). On a selfish level this should please me immensely because of the personal benefit that I and my family will receive from this, but I am capable of seeing the bigger picture (unlike a lot of my neighbours) and realise that this will not lead to a renaissance in new businesses and economic activity.

We need to attract foreign capital to this state and labor's policy of developing a niche (e.g. renewables) and flogging it shamelessly to the world has started to do just that as well as create job. Further I think that most productive small SA businesses would much rather have increased demand for their goods and services via higher population as well as economic activity generated by these large scale projects than saving a few $ on payroll tax.
JAKJ wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:24 pm

I don't see how bringing up either Cory Bernardi or Jo Chapley's personal political choices re their party affiliations is relevant to the South Australian Liberal Party power base. I would be happy to change my mind if you can provide a logical argument against what I have put forward and would be overjoyed to be proven wrong for the sake of this State.

Do you honestly believe the Premier having worked in management and directorial positions with the Michell family corporations that they and their like will not have a significant influence on Liberal government policy? Can you show me how the Liberal Party's announced economic measures do not revolve around exactly what I have put forward, cuts to land taxes, payroll tax and the emergency services levy?

I hope that Marshall is able to show vision beyond this, however his stated willingness to tear up the agreement on the Virtual Power Network - a project that requires minimal government funds/ exposure to deliver external capital investment, the manufacturing of high-value components in SA and the establishment of a significant global business's office in South Australia - for the sake of a political point suggests against this.
you seek a logical argument to hearsay, slander and thought bubbles, hardly seems fair to me, so I'm just providing a summary of my thoughts Into what I think you are looking for responses to.

1. the Liberal party is not a corporate conspiracy. There are pretty much 2 corporates left in the state, and one of them is only here because it has to by law. The rest aren't interested in petty SA politics.
2. Marshall CV is likely to more inspiring than what has been pushed out by the now opposition, your other comments re influence are laughable. but if you really believe that perhaps you should notify ICAC.
3. Just on the ESL, the amount of money paid out to emergency services never changed when it went up, it isn't going down when the ESL does, just the publics direct share.
4. Payroll and land taxes, these are legitimate economic levels in a state with little other ones with some of the worst performing economic indicators in the country. I hope your family do well out of it I'm sure it would be a nice change.
5. The Virtual network, I would be stunned if Labor SA signed up a legal binding agreement that close to an election. However, Even their policy states it is an unfunded project and it might not even get past the trial stage. It is another case of lots of sizzle and no sausage.
6. The Vision, clearly this has been a huge short coming of the Liberals, despite all of their plans, releases and promises people like those on this forum don't see it and others don't either. You are right they will need to work on that, we will see in 4 years if there was one.
7. Cory Bernardi - see below. but as one of the biggest names in the party for 20 years his movement may have caused some shift in the force.

Also just quickly, I would love you to expand on your supposed powerbase of the Liberals, it sounds fascinating, I'm sure you could name a few of them?
I never said corporate conspiracy - you are right we don't have many significant corporates domiciled in SA, that is part of the issue as intrenched family businesses dominate the conservative political landscape and quite naturally try and get outcomes that favour themselves, thus a focus on changes to land tax, payroll tax for small business and the proposed changes to the ESL as reiterated by Lucas this morning in the Tiser. Big corporates tend to be fairly politically agnostic on which parties are in power and often do prefer Labor, such as was the case in WA last state election when Brendan Grylls proposed in Iron ore royalty equalisation plan for Rio and BHIP.

It is simply common human nature to use your wealth and power to better your position, unfortunately most people tend to have a short term focus. That is why it takes people of vision who are able to focus on long-term goals - I think Jay showed that promise, particularly in the last few years and on the other side of the spectrum Playford definitely had that vision. Everything I know about Marshall and his background tells me he does not and will (as the majority of people would in his place) be significantly influenced by those around him who looked after and nurtured his professional and political careers. This view, so far, is being supported by the announced policy platform. Again, would love to be proved wrong.

In terms of where I get my perspective from, I have worked for many years as a consultant, including around strategic implementation work, for big corporates, small/ medium businesses, not-for-profits, state government departments, councils and state owned enterprises across Australia - which has given me a practical perspective on how decisions are made by government, business and community run organisations.

Unfortunately free market principles advocated by our seasoned Treasurer do not work in practice, particularly for a medium sized city-state like SA (which as a political/ commercial entity is Adelaide supported by a vast productive hinterland). You very much need to pick winners and as much as the political apparatus allows run your state as a business with a focus on driving competitive advantage via the niches you have developed (for SA that would be specialised manufacturing, defence, renewables and high quality agriculture) and use cheap government money to promote and seed these projects to ultimately attract interstate investment whether that be via Federal government grants or private capital.

Whether you ideologically like it or not, in Australia government contribution to GSP or as an employment multiplier is either at or approaching 50% across most states. Having a state government in modern Australia step back from being an active decision maker in industry is irresponsible and would be economically regressive. Further, pursuing a policy of small scale tax relief for established businesses and land owners will do nothing but entrench an already well-off and to a large extent unproductive group of established land holders and family businesses instead of using those funds to incentivise private capital investment from interstate or overseas to grow industry.

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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#359 Post by [Shuz] » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:49 am

Great insight JAKJ.
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Re: 2018 South Australian State Election

#360 Post by mshagg » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:46 am

Nort wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:19 pm

Hopefully they were right. I don't think so and am worried what is going to happen the next few years, but in my mind the best possible outcome is if 4 years from now I am considering working to re-elect Marshall due to the growth of SA so I will hope he does a great job.
Sure you have to give them the benefit of the doubt in that they have SA's best interests at heart, but there's a lot at stake just to brush aside any concerns about competence.

What concerns me is the narrow focus and small mindedness of the policy platform, as has been articulated well by JAKJ . The views formed within cotton wrapped careers are further informed by, and capitalise on, the myopic perspectives offered by our local newspaper and TV stations. The collective wisdom and diversity of thought that comes from the borderline inbred SA liberals is evident in the mind numbingly small picture painted for SA.

Weatherill spent the last 4 years talking about how we move around our state now and for decades to come, how we transition to a 21st century economy, what kind of jobs need to be created etc. Marshall's throwing rent seeking landed gentry a win and asking whether a tram can make a right hand turn or not.

Couple this with a Federal Government who has only been forced to acknowledge south Australia's existence on account of a troublesome premier in weatherill and it's a recipe for a bad time. Not even Pyne can keep the SA liberal family safe from being steamrolled by powerful NSW liberal interests.

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