[APP] 199-200 North Terrace | 85m | 20lvls | Mixed Use

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#331 Post by Algernon » Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:49 pm

This is almost perfect. Builds the density and day time activity of the area but is set back and preserves the streetscape. Having a few hundred extra workers will kick things along on the street level. The small addition to the Galerie building is a shame. The addition to Bagot House was also a mistake but at least they're small. Gawler place would be great for laneway activation if it weren't for the hideous car park behind Gawler chambers.

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#332 Post by noted » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:42 am

This development doesn't look that dissimilar to the GPO. It is a slightly better design for sure, but even so I don't really understand how one can be so universally loved and the other despised.

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#333 Post by Patrick_27 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:57 am

noted wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:42 am
This development doesn't look that dissimilar to the GPO. It is a slightly better design for sure, but even so I don't really understand how one can be so universally loved and the other despised.
You know, I was thinking exactly the same thing... They're very similar developments. My own defence is that I actually like the proposal at the GPO despite what everyone else has said. But a lot of those who have high praise for this are the same people who have trashed the GPO development.

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#334 Post by Patrick_27 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:58 am

Algernon wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:49 pm
Gawler place would be great for laneway activation if it weren't for the hideous car park behind Gawler chambers.
Fingers crossed the carpark's owners either spruce it up or sell it on... Perhaps it could be incorporated into the Gawler Chambers development.

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#335 Post by Mpol03 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:49 am

The location of the GPO is so prime it needs to be that much better.
Also, it isn't all glass and the final finish could not only look boring but bad. Based on what we have seen from render to final product, it could turn out to be a clunker. Here's hoping it disproves all of us.

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#336 Post by Patrick_27 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:36 pm

Mpol03 wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:49 am
The location of the GPO is so prime it needs to be that much better.
Also, it isn't all glass and the final finish could not only look boring but bad. Based on what we have seen from render to final product, it could turn out to be a clunker. Here's hoping it disproves all of us.
How is this location not as prime as the GPO? If anything, this location is more prime... There are more people activating the North Terrace precinct and surrounding areas like Rundle Mall, Elder Park and soon the Festival Plaza where this will be visible vs. Victoria Square which at this point is only main points of activity are the events held in the square and the Central Market. That is not a defence for your disapproval of the GPO development. And furthermore, GPO is like 80-85% glass... Which who said glass was the better material anyway. There is really very little difference between two the two projects.

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#337 Post by crawf » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:58 pm

There are similarities between this and the GPO development. Though the design looks much nicer compared to GPO Tower 1. Tower 2 and the GPO revamp have promise though.

I think the biggest problem is that the entire 'City Central' project was hyped up as a game changer for Adelaide and yet it's turned out to be one massive let down. I'm also pretty sure the location of GPO Tower 1 was once earmarked for a 100m+ landmark building, so to see an ordinary box take it's place is very disappointing.

Going back to this development, I think the most exciting thing is the large retail element. For years we have heard constant rumours that these stores (H&M, Uniqlo, Zara, Louis Vuitton, Prada... the list goes on) have Adelaide on their radar, but are struggling to find any suitable locations. This latest proposal solves part of that problem.

It also brings activation of Gawler Place, and expands North Terrace as a premium retail and tourism precinct.
Patrick_27 wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:58 am
Algernon wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:49 pm
Gawler place would be great for laneway activation if it weren't for the hideous car park behind Gawler chambers.
Fingers crossed the carpark's owners either spruce it up or sell it on... Perhaps it could be incorporated into the Gawler Chambers development.
The carpark is owned by the ACC.

I'd love to see that hideous monstrosity demolished, especially with Gawler Place soon to be revamped.

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#338 Post by monotonehell » Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:07 pm

crawf wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:58 pm
The carpark is owned by the ACC.

I'd love to see that hideous monstrosity demolished, especially with Gawler Place soon to be revamped.
Is it? I thought Gawler Upark was leased from the building's owner? I could be remembering wrong or things may have changed.
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#339 Post by crawf » Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:10 pm

monotonehell wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:07 pm
crawf wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:58 pm
The carpark is owned by the ACC.

I'd love to see that hideous monstrosity demolished, especially with Gawler Place soon to be revamped.
Is it? I thought Gawler Upark was leased from the building's owner? I could be remembering wrong or things may have changed.
You could be right. I just always presumed it was owned by the council considering it's a Upark.

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#340 Post by Nort » Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:13 pm

noted wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:42 am
This development doesn't look that dissimilar to the GPO. It is a slightly better design for sure, but even so I don't really understand how one can be so universally loved and the other despised.
This is filling in some density and doing it in a graceful way, the GPO is a giant box sitting on the street.

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#341 Post by Mpol03 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:24 pm

Nort wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:13 pm
noted wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:42 am
This development doesn't look that dissimilar to the GPO. It is a slightly better design for sure, but even so I don't really understand how one can be so universally loved and the other despised.
This is filling in some density and doing it in a graceful way, the GPO is a giant box sitting on the street.
This.

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#342 Post by Nathan » Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:18 pm

The difference is in the way they frame their respective heritage buildings. The GPO development does that particularly poorly, and it's especially noticeable as a prominent corner site.

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#343 Post by Nort » Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:38 pm

Nathan wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:18 pm
The difference is in the way they frame their respective heritage buildings. The GPO development does that particularly poorly, and it's especially noticeable as a prominent corner site.
As much as the Myer Center is an ugly POS the one thing it does well on North Terrace is how it blends in with the older structures, I'm happy to see this same type of thing spreading down North Terrace.

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#344 Post by Mr Smith » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:15 pm

Nort wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:38 pm
Nathan wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:18 pm
The difference is in the way they frame their respective heritage buildings. The GPO development does that particularly poorly, and it's especially noticeable as a prominent corner site.
As much as the Myer Center is an ugly POS the one thing it does well on North Terrace is how it blends in with the older structures, I'm happy to see this same type of thing spreading down North Terrace.
Your joking of course. The Myer Centre is an absolute disgrace. A visually hideous and jarring, cheapskate monstrosity - and that's putting it in polite terms.

I mean what's with that stupid clock tower FFS.

If there is one prominent building that should be razed it's that one IMO.

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#345 Post by monotonehell » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:18 pm

Mr Smith wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:15 pm
Nort wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:38 pm
Nathan wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:18 pm
The difference is in the way they frame their respective heritage buildings. The GPO development does that particularly poorly, and it's especially noticeable as a prominent corner site.
As much as the Myer Center is an ugly POS the one thing it does well on North Terrace is how it blends in with the older structures, I'm happy to see this same type of thing spreading down North Terrace.
Your joking of course. The Myer Centre is an absolute disgrace. A visually hideous and jarring, cheapskate monstrosity - and that's putting it in polite terms.

I mean what's with that stupid clock tower FFS.

If there is one prominent building that should be razed it's that one IMO.
I think you misread what Nort wrote, Mr Smith. He somewhat agrees with you.
Exit on the right in the direction of travel.

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