[VIS] Royal Adelaide Hospital Rebuild

[Pistol]

So, the $700million does not include the final building, which may or may not be built, on Frome Road, at additional cost.

Give me a new cutting edge hospital on the old railyards, please.

I'm with you Rhino.

The rebuild is a good idea but it does not fix the core issues we have with the RAH. Build new and reap the benefits of a new world class hospital.

[Omicron]

Why, why, why do I have to choose between a slightly-awkward rebuild in a marvellous spot, or a brand-new facility in a waste of a location? Sigh.

[Vee]

Why, why, why do I have to choose between a slightly-awkward rebuild in a marvellous spot, or a brand-new facility in a waste of a location? Sigh.

Captures the choices.
Like the new over the re-build but not the location.

[Ho Really]

Regarding why they are removing the Eastern Wing, I think the Eastern Wing is the oldest of the wings?

I know of patients who flatly refuse to go into the wing for all sorts of reasons usually hygiene (nothing nurse related, apparently there are a few bugs flying around). I have also heard that it has to do with the plumbing, apparently the hospital was build with piping in the walls (someone may be able to correct me hear) which are difficult to fix and impossible to fix.

If there are doctors and nurses moving around freely there's no bugs. So those people shouldn't be alarmed. The majority of bugs are usually brought in by inconsiderate people who don't look after their own health and then spread whatever they have all over the place, and this can happen in any hospital old or new. Personally I think the wing is safe, however if there are issues with the plumbing (and other ageing things hidden from sight) then it may have to be torn down in due course. Sad for me as I lost my brother to cancer there in 2000...

Cheers

[Howie]

The rebuild is a good idea but it does not fix the core issues we have with the RAH. Build new and reap the benefits of a new world class hospital.

IMO, core issues with RAH have nothing to do with the building it is in. It is issues such as overworking, under staffing, old equipment etc. New hospital does not maketh world class.

I'm with Save the RAH, taxpayers have already spent hundreds of millions in the last two phases of the RAH upgrade... all it needs is a new wing and a residential ward. Then spend the change on something else.. like hiring more doctors, nurses etc.

Then we can start thinking about what better purpose to put the old railyards to.

[bm7500]

The rebuild is a good idea but it does not fix the core issues we have with the RAH. Build new and reap the benefits of a new world class hospital.

IMO, core issues with RAH have nothing to do with the building it is in. It is issues such as overworking, under staffing, old equipment etc. New hospital does not maketh world class.

I'm with Save the RAH, taxpayers have already spent hundreds of millions in the last two phases of the RAH upgrade... all it needs is a new wing and a residential ward. Then spend the change on something else.. like hiring more doctors, nurses etc.

Then we can start thinking about what better purpose to put the old railyards to.

Well said Howie!

[Brando]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and i fully respect that. You would have to think that if the new hospital was as good as the government wants us to believe, then all the doctors and staff at the RAH would be in favour of the move. The fact that there is such strong opposition to the move and the governments lack of want to listen, makes me concerned.

I have friends who are nurses and paramedics, not exactly doctors i know, but none the less they work there. The general concensus is to remain and rebuild.

[Professor]

My information is that the strong protests from specialist at the RAH is more to do with their existing potential to run private practices and earn zillions of additional $$$$$$$ under the current arrangements. The greenfield new RAH also allows a the Government to revisit these working arrangements, which would mean a loss of the very generous income and private practice conditions now enjoyed by a few medicos.

I am always suspicious of those people who protest loudly on my behalf and insist that they know what is good for me in health or whatever. The lobby groups are generally there for a financial purpose, not for the public good.

As one of our previous PM's stated "If self interest is running in the 3 O'Clock at Randwick, back it".

[skyliner]

The rebuild is a good idea but it does not fix the core issues we have with the RAH. Build new and reap the benefits of a new world class hospital.

IMO, core issues with RAH have nothing to do with the building it is in. It is issues such as overworking, under staffing, old equipment etc. New hospital does not maketh world class.

I'm with Save the RAH, taxpayers have already spent hundreds of millions in the last two phases of the RAH upgrade... all it needs is a new wing and a residential ward. Then spend the change on something else.. like hiring more doctors, nurses etc.

Then we can start thinking about what better purpose to put the old railyards to.

Well said (again)!!!

BTW - please fill me in - if the new site is chosen, will that mean the complete removal of all old ARH bldgs?

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[adam73837]

Very well said Howie!

can I also just ask you rhino and pistol, stadium aside, do you really think that putting a hospital on the riverfront precinct is a better idea that putting an entertainment precinct with cafes, restaurants and hotels? Did I also mention the saving of $1bn?

[Pistol]

Very well said Howie!

can I also just ask you rhino and pistol, stadium aside, do you really think that putting a hospital on the riverfront precinct is a better idea that putting an entertainment precinct with cafes, restaurants and hotels? Did I also mention the saving of $1bn?

The saving $1 bn aside - a supposed saving - the issue is that no other government has even contemplated using the railyard site until this labor govt. proposed using this site for a hospital.

Can I ask you, do you honestly believe that an entertainment precinct would go ahead?

[Aidan]

Very well said Howie!

can I also just ask you rhino and pistol, stadium aside, do you really think that putting a hospital on the riverfront precinct is a better idea that putting an entertainment precinct with cafes, restaurants and hotels? Did I also mention the saving of $1bn?

The saving $1 bn aside - a supposed saving - the issue is that no other government has even contemplated using the railyard site until this labor govt. proposed using this site for a hospital.

Considering the railyards still being in active use, that's hardly surprising. But actually there have been plans considered. One was associated with a Commonwealth Games bid, and was abandoned when the games went to KL. And one involved nocturnal animals, though I don't remember the details.

Can I ask you, do you honestly believe that an entertainment precinct would go ahead?

What do you think would otherwise prevent it from going ahead? It probably wouldn't immediately go ahead, but we will have the time.

[adam73837]

Very well said Howie!

can I also just ask you rhino and pistol, stadium aside, do you really think that putting a hospital on the riverfront precinct is a better idea that putting an entertainment precinct with cafes, restaurants and hotels? Did I also mention the saving of $1bn?

The saving $1 bn aside - a supposed saving -

Well it could be a bit more, becuase everyone knows that Media Mike's hospital is going to cost more than $1.7bn. Having said that, let me rephrase my useage of the word "saving': "not using the same amount of money to build the new hospital and then redirecting the money that wasn't used into other hospitals in the state/ metro area". Hence it wouldn't be "saving" in the sense that we don't use all the money, rather that we use it for multiple things.

the issue is that no other government has even contemplated using the railyard site until this labor govt. proposed using this site for a hospital.

What "issue"? How can that possibly be an issue? Whether or not any government contemplated it before Media Mike, I really don't care, the fact is that here and now we have two different proposals. End of story.

Can I ask you, do you honestly believe that an entertainment precinct would go ahead?

My friend, that is the sort of attitude holding us back. If you don't want exciting things for the generations of the future because of your political preferences, that's your opinion and none of my business. But it does become my business when people like you start trying to derail such a vision. If you don't think that such a vision could go ahead, let me bring to your attention the old saying,"Where there's a will there's a way." And we will find a way.
And that's my .

[Howie]

The saving $1 bn aside - a supposed saving - the issue is that no other government has even contemplated using the railyard site until this labor govt. proposed using this site for a hospital.

Can I ask you, do you honestly believe that an entertainment precinct would go ahead?

Supposed saving? It's the same sqm rate as the Labor New RAH....

I do honestly believe an entertainment precinct would go ahead in some shape or form. Actually, i'd imagine it'll have to come eventually given that we've fallen so far behind so many cities in this country and across the world. I've seen plans for a mega tourism hub in Malaysia for a city that's about half the population of Adelaide that would blow your socks off. If other cities can do it, are you saying we can't?

[Benski81]

The rebuild is a good idea but it does not fix the core issues we have with the RAH. Build new and reap the benefits of a new world class hospital.

IMO, core issues with RAH have nothing to do with the building it is in. It is issues such as overworking, under staffing, old equipment etc. New hospital does not maketh world class.

I'm with Save the RAH, taxpayers have already spent hundreds of millions in the last two phases of the RAH upgrade... all it needs is a new wing and a residential ward. Then spend the change on something else.. like hiring more doctors, nurses etc.

Then we can start thinking about what better purpose to put the old railyards to.

So we should do a few more patch ups, waste some more money and then do the inevitable rebuild anyway? And if it was true, that the building didn't matter, then let's do health care out of an empty paddock, because hey the only thing that matters is the staffing and equipment.

Come on guys the building is essential, the current RAH has already outlived it's useful life which is why we've already had to do the "last two phases" of upgrades. The RAH was never meant to last this long. With a growing population in SA this problem is going to continue to compound and an upgraded RAH will become more and more redundant and the need for a new hospital will become more and more pertinant. My brother works in emergency at the RAH and he'll be the first person to tell you to bulldoze the current rabbit warren and rebuild a proper state of the art hospital.

New hospital please.