[APP] 51 Pirie Street | 114m | 28 Levels | Hyatt

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#256 Post by Capac » Fri Aug 21, 2015 1:54 pm

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Capac wrote:so what's stopping this from being upgraded to 40 stories? I thought there weren't any height restrictions in this part of the CBD these days.
Demand.

Right, that's what i figured. I just thought there might be some old airport red tape issues still around.

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[APP] Re: 51 Pirie Street | 153m | 40lvls | Hotel

#257 Post by monotonehell » Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:01 pm

Capac wrote:
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Capac wrote:so what's stopping this from being upgraded to 40 stories? I thought there weren't any height restrictions in this part of the CBD these days.
Demand.

Right, that's what i figured. I just thought there might be some old airport red tape issues still around.
There's always airport related red-tape, but those don't tend to translate to height restrictions.

Have a read of our submission last decade for a better understanding of how this works...
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#258 Post by [Shuz] » Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:19 pm

At 153m, surely they'd have to replace the radar equipment atop Westpac House and install new radar equipment atop this building.

Would definetly be in breach of OLS. Thus referral to AAL is required. However, not sure if it would be in breach of PANS-OPS? Methinks that they've already sounded out CASA for the 40 level proposal (hence why they've mentioned it's part of design), but are just leaving it to market forces to determine demand - hence lower 30 level proposal (for now).
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#259 Post by serca » Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:48 pm

Also could it be possible it's more likely for developers to get a variation approval for such height increase once original approval have been given? Wouldn't have thought so but .......?

You would have though Starfish would have put in an application for a height/apartment increase given how incredibly fast Vue sold out

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#260 Post by Capac » Sat Aug 22, 2015 5:11 pm

monotonehell wrote:
Have a read of our submission last decade for a better understanding of how this works...
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awesome thanks, i'll take a look.

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#261 Post by Ben » Mon Nov 09, 2015 2:50 pm

This still hasn't been lodged to the DAC...

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#262 Post by Patrick_27 » Mon Nov 09, 2015 3:42 pm

Look at the history of the site... People got too excited too quickly. Just because they locked in an hotel chain and a state minister said he was confident it'll go up doesn't really stand for much anymore. Dare I say it, but I don't think this will progress quickly enough to catch the apartment boom in the CBD.

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#263 Post by wilkiebarkid » Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:38 am

This development is currently on PARK HOTEL GROUP's website as coming in 2018! They'd better get cracking soon!

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#264 Post by AG » Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:12 pm

wilkiebarkid wrote:This development is currently on PARK HOTEL GROUP's website as coming in 2018! They'd better get cracking soon!
I would guess that's their intended completion - doesn't make sense for them to be marketing a commencement date.

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#265 Post by wilkiebarkid » Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:14 pm

AG wrote:
wilkiebarkid wrote:This development is currently on PARK HOTEL GROUP's website as coming in 2018! They'd better get cracking soon!
I would guess that's their intended completion - doesn't make sense for them to be marketing a commencement date.
Never said anything about construction timing. They are promoting the fact that the Hotel will be ready for occupation in 2018! therefore they had better get a move on if they are to complete such a large development by then.

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#266 Post by claybro » Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:38 pm

wilkiebarkid wrote:
AG wrote:
wilkiebarkid wrote:This development is currently on PARK HOTEL GROUP's website as coming in 2018! They'd better get cracking soon!
I would guess that's their intended completion - doesn't make sense for them to be marketing a commencement date.
Never said anything about construction timing. They are promoting the fact that the Hotel will be ready for occupation in 2018! therefore they had better get a move on if they are to complete such a large development by then.
On TV last night I saw a story about China constructing a 30 storey tower to completion in 2 weeks, so what is the problem? :shock:

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#267 Post by wilkiebarkid » Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:05 pm

claybro wrote:On TV last night I saw a story about China constructing a 30 storey tower to completion in 2 weeks, so what is the problem? :shock:
Now that is frightening. I don't think I would like to stay in that building.

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#268 Post by Goodsy » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:06 pm

claybro wrote:
wilkiebarkid wrote:On TV last night I saw a story about China constructing a 30 storey tower to completion in 2 weeks, so what is the problem? :shock:
Now that is frightening. I don't think I would like to stay in that building.
They aren't constructed in 2 weeks, they're assembled form pre cast sections in 2 weeks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvmru5JmXk

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#269 Post by AG » Wed Dec 02, 2015 7:13 pm

claybro wrote:
On TV last night I saw a story about China constructing a 30 storey tower to completion in 2 weeks, so what is the problem? :shock:
Lots of repetition around the building, pre-cast and pre-fabricating does speed up construction times a lot. As does not having unions, strict safety procedures... I'd like to see this done for a building with lots of irregularities.

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#270 Post by Goodsy » Wed Dec 02, 2015 7:25 pm

AG wrote:
claybro wrote:
On TV last night I saw a story about China constructing a 30 storey tower to completion in 2 weeks, so what is the problem? :shock:
Lots of repetition around the building, pre-cast and pre-fabricating does speed up construction times a lot. As does not having unions, strict safety procedures... I'd like to see this done for a building with lots of irregularities.
Would be useful for cheap high density housing trust communities

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