[PRO] 51 Pirie Street | 94m | 21 Levels | Hyatt

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[PRO] Re: 51 Pirie Street | ~86m | 21 Levels | Hyatt

#451 Post by Nathan » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:37 pm

Just a gentle reminder that the 1927 building is mostly all gone already — all that remains is the facade. The 80s brutalist addition on the corner has more remaining heritage value.

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[PRO] Re: 51 Pirie Street | ~86m | 21 Levels | Hyatt

#452 Post by Patrick_27 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:42 pm

Nathan wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:37 pm
Just a gentle reminder that the 1927 building is mostly all gone already — all that remains is the facade. The 80s brutalist addition on the corner has more remaining heritage value.
In most cases, preserving a building is not about the interior preservation but the external. Her Majesty's Theatre is a case in point of this. It's about the street-scape.

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[PRO] Re: 51 Pirie Street | ~86m | 21 Levels | Hyatt

#453 Post by Nathan » Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:10 pm

Patrick_27 wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:42 pm
Nathan wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:37 pm
Just a gentle reminder that the 1927 building is mostly all gone already — all that remains is the facade. The 80s brutalist addition on the corner has more remaining heritage value.
In most cases, preserving a building is not about the interior preservation but the external. Her Majesty's Theatre is a case in point of this. It's about the street-scape.
It also reduces "heritage" to the equivalent of a movie studio backlot.

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[PRO] Re: 51 Pirie Street | ~86m | 21 Levels | Hyatt

#454 Post by Patrick_27 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:13 pm

Nathan wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:10 pm
Patrick_27 wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:42 pm
Nathan wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:37 pm
Just a gentle reminder that the 1927 building is mostly all gone already — all that remains is the facade. The 80s brutalist addition on the corner has more remaining heritage value.
In most cases, preserving a building is not about the interior preservation but the external. Her Majesty's Theatre is a case in point of this. It's about the street-scape.
It also reduces "heritage" to the equivalent of a movie studio backlot.
Maybe, but it's still better than not trying at all. After all, it's virtually impossible to retain the interior of a building that it being built on-top of with pilings and the like going straight through it and the need to reconfigure an interior to accomodate.

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[PRO] Re: 51 Pirie Street | ~86m | 21 Levels | Hyatt

#455 Post by Nathan » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:49 pm

Patrick_27 wrote:
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Patrick_27 wrote:
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In most cases, preserving a building is not about the interior preservation but the external. Her Majesty's Theatre is a case in point of this. It's about the street-scape.
It also reduces "heritage" to the equivalent of a movie studio backlot.
Maybe, but it's still better than not trying at all. After all, it's virtually impossible to retain the interior of a building that it being built on-top of with pilings and the like going straight through it and the need to reconfigure an interior to accomodate.
I disagree. I think it's just lying to ourselves. Adaptive re-use is good — repurposing a building in a meaningful way. But carving off a 50cm thick sliver to hang off a new building like a painting? It's a disservice to the original building, and a misplaced compromise on the new.

It also, as always, reduces architectural appreciation and understanding to a superficial "how it looks from the outside". That's not what makes a building important heritage.

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[PRO] Re: 51 Pirie Street | ~86m | 21 Levels | Hyatt

#456 Post by noted » Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:13 pm

Disagree with you Nathan. I walk past it regularly and for me it still has good character and appeal at street level. A development on this site could have been an opportunity to correct the botched 80s job and integrate the facade with a much more creative and sympathetic design

Even so, it isn't necessarily the loss of this particular building that annoys me. It is more the principle that something can be removed from the register on the basis of the quality of the replacement only for that design to subsequently be dumbed down.

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#457 Post by rev » Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:16 pm

This should be knocked back.
Big global brands like Hyatt should be in buildings pushing for the tallest, not seeing reductions.
These are the types of buildings that are more likely, or should be, to see a unique and outstanding design.

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[PRO] Re: 51 Pirie Street | ~86m | 21 Levels | Hyatt

#458 Post by ghs » Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:16 pm

rev wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:16 pm
This should be knocked back.
Big global brands like Hyatt should be in buildings pushing for the tallest, not seeing reductions.
These are the types of buildings that are more likely, or should be, to see a unique and outstanding design.
 
so the govt should reject it because its not tall enough ?

That's ridiculous.

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#459 Post by Ben » Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:34 am

Thread cleaned up, please keep on topic and no personal insults. Thanks.

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#460 Post by Howie » Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:44 pm

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[PRO] Re: 51 Pirie Street | 93m | 21 Levels | Hyatt

#461 Post by Norman » Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:02 pm

This one is on the agenda for the next SCAP meeting. Here is the report and attachments:
https://www.saplanningcommission.sa.gov ... ty_Ltd.pdf

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#462 Post by Will » Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:27 pm

That is fucking terrible!

Trashy 80's design

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#463 Post by gnrc_louis » Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:38 pm

It's kind of gaudy, not sure it would age particularly well.

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#464 Post by Ben » Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:41 pm

Could be ok if the glass is the same as the casino but hard to tell. I prefer the first design from about 10 years ago. With each iteration it has become more bland and basic.

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#465 Post by PeFe » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:01 pm

Sorry but can't we do better than building designs that were rejected by the Gold Coast City Council in 1988...

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