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[COM] Re: SOS for 'dying' Rundle Mall

#166 Post by Queen Anne » Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:58 am

rubegoldbergdevice wrote:
You can disagree without saying someone's thoughts are silly, ya know.
Yes. Except when the thoughts are actually silly.
In what universe does a development always, without fail, deliver excellent results? It is not foolsih for me to raise the possibility that covering the mall could work against the interraction of the Lantern with the mall.

Of course they wouldn't go out of their way to ensure the view of the lantern in cut off by coverings. Does that mean it couldn't happen? I don't share your confidence there.

The Lantern in one of the most interesting and respected projects to happen in Adelaide in a long time and we very much need to be mindful that the mall can benefit greatly from its presence - depending on the decisions we make.

Now I'm off to make my silly self some breakfast, maybe some protein will knock some sense into me.

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[COM] Re: SOS for 'dying' Rundle Mall

#167 Post by mattblack » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:32 am

Take a look at freemont st if you want the mall to attract people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WmLlyAr ... re=related

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[COM] Re: SOS for 'dying' Rundle Mall

#168 Post by stumpjumper » Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:40 am

Re Anne Moran:
She only seems to say what she thinks will win her votes.
It's simpler than that - Ms Moran will say anything that will get her broadcast/published.

As to Rundle Mall, it would be useful to know what the usual vacancy percentage is.

If there are unacceptably high vacancy rates in and around the mall, what are the factors responsible, and which of them can be dealt with?

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[COM] Re: SOS for 'dying' Rundle Mall

#169 Post by monotonehell » Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:58 am

mattblack wrote:Take a look at freemont st if you want the mall to attract people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WmLlyAr ... re=related

Sorry dont know how upload utube.
Freemont Street is a mall that is lined with Vegas's older casinos, the overhead show completely covers the street day and night. It's a pretty show, yes, but not really comparable to Rundle Mall. Vegas had a problem where the older section there was being ignored due to a combination of the Northern end of the Strip becoming old and being perceived as seedy, and all the newer mega-casinos being built way down at the other end of the Strip attracting visitors away from the North. So they came up with a light show to detract from the seedy things at night.
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[COM] Re: SOS for 'dying' Rundle Mall

#170 Post by mattblack » Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:37 am

If the Mall wants to attract people to it it needs to be bold and innovative. Just putting a roof over the thing I dont think will cut it. Do it once and do it right. As you said mono, its a connection between 2 previously disjointed areas in Vegas, we have much the same with our nightlife areas of Hindley and Rundle. Would cost major $ but we could still learn a thing or 2 from places that are a little out there and fit in well with the likes of the Lantern and Northern Lights.

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#171 Post by AtD » Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:03 am

If the mall had 24 hr trading, there would be less of a divide, there would be more people around (passive surveillance) and the place would be less dangerous after hours. I would guess the only mall tenant that would be interested in 24 hr trading would be Woolworths, but preventing them from at least trialing it is state legislation. I remember reading that the relevant minister has the power to grant limited exceptions to trading hour laws.

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[COM] Re: SOS for 'dying' Rundle Mall

#172 Post by monotonehell » Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:25 am

An observation regarding extended trading in Rundle Mall: Over the past 12 months or so, several traders have tried it. It's not been a great success, Borders were the first to try it (for several years they've opening late weeknights) and the first to cut it back to normal hours. Other traders are starting to cut back as well. I don't know if it's just a lack of awareness amongst shoppers, or that people just want to go home after work most nights.

Whatever reason, it's not catching on.
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#173 Post by AtD » Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:40 am

Re: Borders, I think it's a Summer/Winter thing. Bookstores are an exempt category in the trading hours legislation.

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#174 Post by Mpol » Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:49 pm

I had no clue some stores in the mall was open until 9. Jeez they should have gotten word out there.

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#175 Post by monotonehell » Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:53 pm

AtD wrote:Re: Borders, I think it's a Summer/Winter thing. Bookstores are an exempt category in the trading hours legislation.
I thought the same thing too, but they started closing earlier at the start of summer.
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#176 Post by AtD » Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:02 pm

They were open when I was down during the Fringe!

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[COM] Re: SOS for 'dying' Rundle Mall

#177 Post by stumpjumper » Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:01 pm

Next time you're in the Mall, have a look at the 'first floor streetscape'. The building facades above the awnings are interesting, highly articulated - even beautiful in some cases.

Now imagine a first floor walkway along each side of Rundle Mall. OK, traditionally it hasn't been easy to encourage shoppers to the first floor of arcades - consider the tenants of the upper level of Adelaide Arcade - but places like Marion have found that good access is the answer. Connecting walkways with stairs or escalators to the ground (like the old Richmond Hotel/Cox Foy escalator bridge), and a few lifts should meet the requirements there.

The upper level could feature cafes, boutiques etc. There's a sort of prototype of this in O'Connell Street, North Adelaide on the west side between Archer and Tyne Streets.

Plenty of 'issues' (as Makris found in North Adelaide) - landowners, levels, crossing public space between buildings etc. But worth thinking about, I reckon. At least Rundle Mall is a pedestrian precinct without such serious road traffic considerations.

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[COM] Re: SOS for 'dying' Rundle Mall

#178 Post by Waewick » Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:52 pm

is it possible to try and encourage more residential (not student) living above the mall? give it that lived in feel?

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#179 Post by iTouch » Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:02 am

It sounds good in theory but knowing elderly folk and those who aren't students, I don't think that'd be a good idea. elderly folk wouldn't take too keenly to Friday and Saturday Nights. Rich folk wouldn't take too keenly to weekdays, nights, afternoons, dawns, weekends, public holidays and any moment that they are residing in their apartment. Complaints would be heard echoing at West Beach
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[COM] Re: SOS for 'dying' Rundle Mall

#180 Post by pushbutton » Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:50 am

I can't see much wrong with Rundle Mall either, and it's certainly far from "dying".

My suggestions to make it even better than it already is would be
- Get rid of those embarrassing pig statues, and maybe replace them with some decent, modern and exciting art forms, or preferably a couple of big interesting and modern fountains and some innovative and interesting signage (perhaps detailing local history or culture).
- Replace the existing central kiosks with nicer looking ones (the existing ones look a bit "gothic" to me and I'd prefer a design that was more aesthetically pleasing).
- Put in some large palm trees all along the centre of the mall
. Ensure that there are high quality street performers in the mall at all times (during trading hours) in addition to regular buskers (I notice they have been doing this occasionally lately but it should be more regular)
- Encourage all rundle mall retailers to do something different than they do at their suburban stores. This might mean they provide customers with entertainment, or they offer lower prices or different stock than in the suburbs, or they have bigger stores in Rundle Mall with a greater range of stock, or anything else to differentiate them and give people genuine reasons to shop there for something different to what they'll find in the suburbs.

Having said all that, it's not bad as it is and the fact that there are major developments happening at Woolworths and hopefully soon at Harris Scarfe show that investors have confidence in its future.

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