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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3616 Post by ChillyPhilly » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:48 am

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citywatcher wrote:It is just on a smaller scale


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One attracts visitors, tourism and investment, even if a hedonistic and capitalist place. The other will not.
So what
Each case is different and built to purpose and will only happen with private money
The aquatic centre will be bulldozed otherwise , at least this way the public will have access to a new built facility
What a stupid statement

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3617 Post by citywatcher » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:56 am

ChillyPhilly wrote:
citywatcher wrote:
ChillyPhilly wrote:One attracts visitors, tourism and investment, even if a hedonistic and capitalist place. The other will not.
So what
Each case is different and built to purpose and will only happen with private money
The aquatic centre will be bulldozed otherwise , at least this way the public will have access to a new built facility
What a stupid statement

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3618 Post by Nort » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:25 am

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Open tender ?
Like any offer outside the crows would give a toss what the council or the local nimbys want.
Council doesn't want to run it maintain it or spend money on it then it should shut the Fuck up
The council will always own the land
Any use of it will be as a lease
It's the best deal they're gonna get otherwise it's another lecornus........

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Without opening it to public offers that is impossible to say. If the Crows offer was absolutely astounding then yeah, take the deal. If it involves lots of compromises then lets see if we can get a better deal for the city before committing.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3619 Post by SRW » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:31 am

A couple extra renders at the designer's site: https://www.citycollective.com.au/project/afc/
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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3620 Post by Brucetiki » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:41 am

Patrick_27 wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:51 am
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It's a no from me.

A big, fat, whopping no.

This kind of proposal should not even be entertained - in any form.

The Crows are a private entity. Private entities have no place in the Parklands. The Parklands are a public asset to be enjoyed by all people.
So I guess you're opposed to the Casino expansion and Festival Plaza then?
Don't forget Karen Rolton Oval too

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3621 Post by Brucetiki » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:44 am

I can't believe there's people that would rather keep a decrepit, sub standard aquatic centre than see the area get a much needed upgrade with a mixed use facility.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3622 Post by Nathan » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:26 am

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I can't believe there's people that would rather keep a decrepit, sub standard aquatic centre than see the area get a much needed upgrade with a mixed use facility.
I don't think it's as decrepit, sub standard, as people are being led to believe.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3623 Post by Brucetiki » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:03 am

Nathan wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:26 am
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Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:44 am
I can't believe there's people that would rather keep a decrepit, sub standard aquatic centre than see the area get a much needed upgrade with a mixed use facility.
I don't think it's as decrepit, sub standard, as people are being led to believe.
Aren't the diving boards considered unsafe for use?

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3624 Post by Nathan » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:09 am

Brucetiki wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:03 am
Nathan wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:26 am
Brucetiki wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:44 am
I can't believe there's people that would rather keep a decrepit, sub standard aquatic centre than see the area get a much needed upgrade with a mixed use facility.
I don't think it's as decrepit, sub standard, as people are being led to believe.
Aren't the diving boards considered unsafe for use?
I've got no idea about the highest boards, they're closed on the weekend when I'm there (they generally have water polo on in the diving pool, or some other activity), but I've certainly seen the lower ones open.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3625 Post by ChillyPhilly » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:20 am

Nathan wrote:
Brucetiki wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:44 am
I can't believe there's people that would rather keep a decrepit, sub standard aquatic centre than see the area get a much needed upgrade with a mixed use facility.
I don't think it's as decrepit, sub standard, as people are being led to believe.
I have a friend who works there. It's not that bad. Pretty convenient of the media to highlight its condition. This is known as an 'availability heuristic'.
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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3626 Post by SRW » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:49 am

I'm taking the reports regarding the centre's viability at face value. It's an issue that's been covered in the media for years, long before the Crows proposal was even a thought bubble. I tend to trust that more than anecdotal impressions of visitors to the place. And I certainly trust it more than the idea that there's been a campaign to mislead people.
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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3627 Post by Nort » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:14 pm

SRW wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:49 am
I'm taking the reports regarding the centre's viability at face value. It's an issue that's been covered in the media for years, long before the Crows proposal was even a thought bubble. I tend to trust that more than anecdotal impressions of visitors to the place. And I certainly trust it more than the idea that there's been a campaign to mislead people.
It's possible for the center to be pretty decent and also losing money. Among it's many issues are the fact the location kind of sucks for anyone who isn't driving there.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3628 Post by Nathan » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:49 pm

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Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:14 pm
Among it's many issues are the fact the location kind of sucks for anyone who isn't driving there.
I don't think the location is awful, but it could certainly be better connected. The Frome St bikeway will help (if it's ever completed...), as would the tram up Prospect Rd. Perhaps an easy change would be to have the 98 city connector bus run up to Barton Tce West instead of Buxton St, giving people in the city a closer connection.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3629 Post by SRW » Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:31 pm

Much more detail in the InDaily article just posted. Relevant tidbits that indicate final design is far from settled:
Fronting Adelaide City councillors and a packed public gallery, Crows chief executive Andrew Fagan and City Collective architect David Cooke last night said they were unable to state how much space would be used for public swimming pools, as the council was yet to finalise a needs analysis or provide the club with specific building guidelines.
Fagan told reporters this morning that Ernst and Young had conducted an “economic impact study” on the value the football club brings to the Adelaide economy, as well as the return from the proposed centre’s construction.

“The reason we couldn’t be more specific about that (the figure) is (because) until the needs analysis is complete and we define the scope and scale of the aquatic centre you can’t actually complete that piece of work,” he said.
But this is what's proposed so far:
The proposed new facility – dubbed by the club as a “sport and community centre” – would return over 6000-square metres to the park lands and would be split into three sections: the club’s training and administration area, an education zone from which the club would run its community programs and a public aquatic space that the club would use “on an occasional hire basis”.
The proposed centre would also house an amphitheatre, lecture spaces, multipurpose education rooms, and a café, a gymnasium, crèche and underground car park.

It would reach a maximum height of 16-metres – compared to the current centre’s 21-metre height – and would be surrounded by 750 linear metres of new paths and 400 linear metres of resurfaced paths for “increased connectivity” with O’Connell Street.

Under the club’s plan, existing ovals on Barton Terrace West would be upgraded to a new “high-quality, AFL-standard” oval similar to Adelaide Oval, while the ovals on Park 2 would remain untouched and unfenced.

The centre itself would also remain unfenced, but would instead be “screened” by 100 new trees and landscaped gardens.
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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

#3630 Post by citywatcher » Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:18 pm

Personally I don't care wether the crows go there or not . They may not be the best fit. I'm pretty sure the council want to wash themselves of the centre though.

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