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[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:28 am
by SRW
Pants wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:09 am
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Walker responsible for developing the tower, car park and retail and the government responsible for the open plaza areas?

Could the landscaping in the new tower/retail render just be generic, even though in the past the render has included the plaza designs we've seen previously?
They're cofunding but I'm not sure who's project managing (Renewal SA, maybe?). Either way, I suspect you're right. The plaza design (or at least masterplan?) was awarded to ARM Architecture/TCL, so this is probably just a marketing image not an actual indication of final look.

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:18 pm
by obituary resider
SRW wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:28 am
Pants wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:09 am
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Walker responsible for developing the tower, car park and retail and the government responsible for the open plaza areas?

Could the landscaping in the new tower/retail render just be generic, even though in the past the render has included the plaza designs we've seen previously?
They're cofunding but I'm not sure who's project managing (Renewal SA, maybe?). Either way, I suspect you're right. The plaza design (or at least masterplan?) was awarded to ARM Architecture/TCL, so this is probably just a marketing image not an actual indication of final look.
It is correct that concept design was undertaken by A-R-M / TCL but the detailed design phase is being undertaken by Aspect / Architectus. If they have gone to the effort to include a different design in a marketing image then I suspect what it shows will be close to what is currently planned (I believe they are about 75% detailed design).

My guess would be they have had to take significant cost saving measures. Pretty common place but you would hope for a location as prominent like this, the government would stump up.

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:38 pm
by Nort
obituary resider wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:18 pm
SRW wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:28 am
Pants wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:09 am
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Walker responsible for developing the tower, car park and retail and the government responsible for the open plaza areas?

Could the landscaping in the new tower/retail render just be generic, even though in the past the render has included the plaza designs we've seen previously?
They're cofunding but I'm not sure who's project managing (Renewal SA, maybe?). Either way, I suspect you're right. The plaza design (or at least masterplan?) was awarded to ARM Architecture/TCL, so this is probably just a marketing image not an actual indication of final look.
It is correct that concept design was undertaken by A-R-M / TCL but the detailed design phase is being undertaken by Aspect / Architectus. If they have gone to the effort to include a different design in a marketing image then I suspect what it shows will be close to what is currently planned (I believe they are about 75% detailed design).

My guess would be they have had to take significant cost saving measures. Pretty common place but you would hope for a location as prominent like this, the government would stump up.
Given his desire for a second tower, I suspect that render of the current plans has been made to have his building look as good as possible, with a very plain plaza so he can point and go "Oh gee whiz, if only the site was more profitable I could spend more on that part..."

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:16 am
by Stryker
That’s a one big hole in the ground! I’m struggling to see how the car park’s going to be ready in time for the new Casino opening though?

Image

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:21 am
by Ben
Surely tower cranes will be needed for the construction part.

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:09 pm
by Pikey
Ben wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:21 am
Surely tower cranes will be needed for the construction part.
I seem to recall five being mentioned. It's a bloody huge site!!!

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:47 am
by rev
That picture gives a good idea of the slope of King William road.

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:39 pm
by SBD
Pikey wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:09 pm
Ben wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:21 am
Surely tower cranes will be needed for the construction part.
I seem to recall five being mentioned. It's a bloody huge site!!!
How tall is the car park and plaza supposed to be? Tower cranes might not be needed if the site can just be driven in to at every level.

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:46 pm
by EBG
you would have to have temporary ramps to drive to each level so I think they would use tower cranes with at least 5 as shown by X. However 2 of the cranes could remain and be used to work on the office tower.(click on picture for bigger).

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:12 am
by Ho Really
Anyone take a guess how deep this dig is at its deepest point (top right corner on King William Road)?

Cheers

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:41 pm
by nath91
An iconic design should be mandatory for this Tower once it goes ahead.

Check out this development underway in South Yarra. This style would be perfect, complimenting the Skycity development, adding that needed height and a shiny new beacon to front the postcard shot/'front face' of the CBD.

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:53 pm
by SRW
The current design has already been signed off, and Walker's comments over the years have revealed a rather antipathetic view of Adelaide as a backwater that doesn't require the effort. It would seem change depends on either the government's heavy hand or the market's invisible one -- that is, a renegotiation of whatever backroom conditions were agreed or a lessee who demands something better to sign on.

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:54 pm
by EBG
I would guess the hole to be about 13.5m.any one else want to guess?

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:52 am
by Patrick_27
nath91 wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:41 pm
An iconic design should be mandatory for this Tower once it goes ahead.

Check out this development underway in South Yarra. This style would be perfect, complimenting the Skycity development, adding that needed height and a shiny new beacon to front the postcard shot/'front face' of the CBD.
Yes, this is a great build in South Yarra but this kind of design would in no way compliment the surrounding heritage elements of Festival Plaza.

[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:27 am
by nath91
Does the Sky City development compliment the heritage elements of Festival Plaza?