[CAN] 51-57 Hutt Street | 49m | 13 Levels | Mixed

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[CAN] Re: 51-57 Hutt Street | 49m | 13 Levels | Mixed

#106 Post by wilkiebarkid » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:55 pm

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So yeah, the next time someone wants to call me a NIMBY for believing that the loss of heritage and character buildings should be limited where possible, you can now perhaps understand where I am coming from with this...
These heritage cottages, bungalows, villas etc abound in the immediate suburban areas. Anyone who thinks that one level old buildings such as these should survive in a developing CBD are simply unrealistic when it comes to the commercial values of the real estate and their development potential and importance.

True Heritage buildings (by Australian standards) that will be preserved, are the likes of the grand buildings on North Terrace, GPO, Treasury etc.

This is not London, Paris, Rome etc. Get a grip.

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[CAN] Re: 51-57 Hutt Street | 49m | 13 Levels | Mixed

#107 Post by HiTouch » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:36 pm

wilkiebarkid wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:55 pm
Patrick_27 wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:11 pm
So yeah, the next time someone wants to call me a NIMBY for believing that the loss of heritage and character buildings should be limited where possible, you can now perhaps understand where I am coming from with this...
These heritage cottages, bungalows, villas etc abound in the immediate suburban areas. Anyone who thinks that one level old buildings such as these should survive in a developing CBD are simply unrealistic when it comes to the commercial values of the real estate and their development potential and importance.

True Heritage buildings (by Australian standards) that will be preserved, are the likes of the grand buildings on North Terrace, GPO, Treasury etc.

This is not London, Paris, Rome etc. Get a grip.
You’re wrong though. Every CBD I know (yes, even in China) has an element of heritage niceties in their CBDs. I dont know who in their right mind would desire a carpark more then a cottage. There’s no “commercial value” in it.

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[CAN] Re: 51-57 Hutt Street | 49m | 13 Levels | Mixed

#108 Post by SouthAussie94 » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:52 pm

But it comes down to assessing each development (and the demolition that occurs prior) on its own merits.

Demolish old stone cottages in the CBD to build a 13 story apartment building, probably not the worst thing to happen.

Demolish the same old stone cottages to build an open car park, definitely not okay.
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#109 Post by wilkiebarkid » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:00 pm

HiTouch wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:36 pm
wilkiebarkid wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:55 pm
Patrick_27 wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:11 pm
So yeah, the next time someone wants to call me a NIMBY for believing that the loss of heritage and character buildings should be limited where possible, you can now perhaps understand where I am coming from with this...
These heritage cottages, bungalows, villas etc abound in the immediate suburban areas. Anyone who thinks that one level old buildings such as these should survive in a developing CBD are simply unrealistic when it comes to the commercial values of the real estate and their development potential and importance.

True Heritage buildings (by Australian standards) that will be preserved, are the likes of the grand buildings on North Terrace, GPO, Treasury etc.

This is not London, Paris, Rome etc. Get a grip.
You’re wrong though. Every CBD I know (yes, even in China) has an element of heritage niceties in their CBDs. I dont know who in their right mind would desire a carpark more then a cottage. There’s no “commercial value” in it.
This result is not deliberate. No one demolishes buildings such as these to establish a f carpark. Something has happened which has obviously cost the original developer a fair bit of money.

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[CAN] Re: 51-57 Hutt Street | 49m | 13 Levels | Mixed

#110 Post by Patrick_27 » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:45 pm

wilkiebarkid wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:00 pm
HiTouch wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:36 pm
wilkiebarkid wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:55 pm


These heritage cottages, bungalows, villas etc abound in the immediate suburban areas. Anyone who thinks that one level old buildings such as these should survive in a developing CBD are simply unrealistic when it comes to the commercial values of the real estate and their development potential and importance.

True Heritage buildings (by Australian standards) that will be preserved, are the likes of the grand buildings on North Terrace, GPO, Treasury etc.

This is not London, Paris, Rome etc. Get a grip.
You’re wrong though. Every CBD I know (yes, even in China) has an element of heritage niceties in their CBDs. I dont know who in their right mind would desire a carpark more then a cottage. There’s no “commercial value” in it.
This result is not deliberate. No one demolishes buildings such as these to establish a f carpark. Something has happened which has obviously cost the original developer a fair bit of money.
Which comes down to the fact that demolition approval should never have been granted if the building wasn't ready to go in terms of sales and financing.

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[CAN] Re: 51-57 Hutt Street | 49m | 13 Levels | Mixed

#111 Post by Ser Noit of Loit » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:39 pm

wilkiebarkid wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:55 pm
Patrick_27 wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:11 pm
So yeah, the next time someone wants to call me a NIMBY for believing that the loss of heritage and character buildings should be limited where possible, you can now perhaps understand where I am coming from with this...
These heritage cottages, bungalows, villas etc abound in the immediate suburban areas. Anyone who thinks that one level old buildings such as these should survive in a developing CBD are simply unrealistic when it comes to the commercial values of the real estate and their development potential and importance.

True Heritage buildings (by Australian standards) that will be preserved, are the likes of the grand buildings on North Terrace, GPO, Treasury etc.

This is not London, Paris, Rome etc. Get a grip.
So because we're not an older European city we shouldn't try to preserve our own history where we can? We can't protect heritage that isn't deemed true heritage? Why knock down heritage buildings at all when there are plenty of more modern ones that don't hold the same value? The west end has plenty of depressing sites that no-one would miss. Start with them. Adelaide has a lot of empty space for development. We're hardly a the point where we need to knock down heritage buildings because we're short for space.

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[CAN] Re: 51-57 Hutt Street | 49m | 13 Levels | Mixed

#112 Post by urban » Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:04 am

Patrick_27 wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:45 pm
wilkiebarkid wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:00 pm
HiTouch wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:36 pm


You’re wrong though. Every CBD I know (yes, even in China) has an element of heritage niceties in their CBDs. I dont know who in their right mind would desire a carpark more then a cottage. There’s no “commercial value” in it.
This result is not deliberate. No one demolishes buildings such as these to establish a f carpark. Something has happened which has obviously cost the original developer a fair bit of money.
Which comes down to the fact that demolition approval should never have been granted if the building wasn't ready to go in terms of sales and financing.
The houses would have been demolished at the earliest chance to minimise the opportunity for them to be listed or for community outrage to develop. Standard risk management procedure within the industry. (Not a good practice just a common one)

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[CAN] Re: 51-57 Hutt Street | 49m | 13 Levels | Mixed

#113 Post by Nort » Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:03 am

wilkiebarkid wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:00 pm
This result is not deliberate. No one demolishes buildings such as these to establish a f carpark. Something has happened which has obviously cost the original developer a fair bit of money.
Yeah, it's not like Adelaide has a history of buildings being knocked down for car parks. :lol:

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