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[APP] Re: Adelaide Oval Hotel

#46 Post by GrowAdelaide » Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:38 pm

Regardless of the dubious funding issues and how it detracts from the stadium as designed, is it really necessary? There are multiple accommodation options almost literally a stone's throw away.

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#47 Post by LMB » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:00 pm

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Would be a good way to activate that side of the Torrens in my opinion and sounds as though there is strong demand for further 4-5 star hotels. In addition some of those older hotels would likely need to consider upgrading as people would be more likely to stay in a new hotel


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I couldn't disagree more. This hotel would open as a 5 star. The general public wouldn't be able to get into the place on event dates - media, corporates, affilliates, sponsors etc would be given first priority and the hotel will be closed out to the general public. So anyone that thinks that they are actually going to stay there on key dates is kidding themselves. This hotel will be for 'the other half'.

On NON-event dates, this hotel will be competing with all of the other 4.5 to 5 star properties in the CBD. Remember we've still got the Sofitel, Crowne Plaza and Casino hotel (plus a few more) to come online. So we're going to have a lot of top end hotel rooms, all competing against each other in the $250-$400 per night range. With the exception of a few scattered dates throughout the year, our current 4.5 to 5 star hotels are not regularly filling their rooms NOW. So I predict doom and gloom in the 5 star category in the years that follow.

The older hotels won't need to do a thing - the 5 star hotels will bring themselves undone. Adelaide needs more hotels entering the market in the 3-4 star range. (Think Ibis and Holiday Inn Express). Way too much supply of 5 star product.

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[APP] Re: Adelaide Oval Hotel

#48 Post by how good is he » Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:56 pm

I actually think the older hotels will be the ones who suffer. Compared to the hotels interstate do we even have a true 5 Star hotel now? I agree the hotels will cannibalise each other and room rates for older hotels will have to drop to be able to compete with the newer ones, so more competition will be a good thing for the consumer. Also there are about 5000 hotel beds in Adelaide so if we can attract tourists with more events that fill 5000 beds (ie the Cricket World Cup a few years ago) & Adelaide is sold out.

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[APP] Re: Adelaide Oval Hotel

#49 Post by LMB » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:28 pm

how good is he wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:56 pm
I actually think the older hotels will be the ones who suffer. Compared to the hotels interstate do we even have a true 5 Star hotel now? I agree the hotels will cannibalise each other and room rates for older hotels will have to drop to be able to compete with the newer ones, so more competition will be a good thing for the consumer. There are only about 5000 hotel beds in Adelaide so if we can attract tourists with more events that fill 5000 beds (ie the Cricket World Cup a few years ago) & Adelaide is sold out.
I agree with you that our 5 Star experience is not as superior as other states, unfortunately we have a long way to go in that respect.

The problem with 'newbuild' 5 Star properties is that they won't be able to cannibalise the room rate too far. Their budgets won't allow, bank loans will be in play. Again, I agree with you that they will be competing against each other heavily but they won't be able to drop their rates too far south of $200 per night. The range will be $190-$450 depending on the season.

So an older 4 Star or a new 3.5 star hotel (such as Ibis) selling in the $120-160 range will dominate. All the high end hotels will drop down to their lowest possible rate (lets say $190) but the midscale hotels will all reach 100% occupancy first. The top end will fill last, so in times of low demand it will be the high end hotels with lower occupancy. It never works the other way around.

Do you know that last year 50% of occupied room nights in Adelaide CBD were purchased by South Australians? This is why I predict the overkill in 4.5 to 5 star hotel rooms is unwarranted. South Australians just won't pay premium prices.

Adelaide holds major events that fill the city 50 nights per year. That's it. Even if we add another 1000 hotel beds it will only impact 50 nights of the year. The other 300 odd nights, lots of pressure on the 5 star properties to be profitable.
So, what happens? They reduce staffing, limit services, close outlets etc - the end result = EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE SAYING - "Do we even have a 5 star hotel?"
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#50 Post by Jaymz » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:38 pm

I think you'll find the Mayfair and Playford hotels offer a 5 star experience on par with the Australian norm.

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#51 Post by I Follow PAFC » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:10 pm

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#52 Post by how good is he » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:29 pm

Don’t want to be too critical but Mayfair doesn’t even have a pool, Playford is prob 20+ years old..Comparing similar population cities - The Darling GC & Crown Perth blows them away. Let alone the new ones there & coming in Melb/Syd/Brisb.

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[APP] Re: Adelaide Oval Hotel

#53 Post by A-Town » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:39 pm

how good is he wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:56 pm
Also there are about 5000 hotel beds in Adelaide so if we can attract tourists with more events that fill 5000 beds (ie the Cricket World Cup a few years ago) & Adelaide is sold out.
Happens with the Ashes every 4 years, too. Imagine if Australia hosted the Soccer World Cup :shock:

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[APP] Re: Adelaide Oval Hotel

#54 Post by ghs » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:01 pm

I wonder if the hotel will include a massage parlour. It would be good to have one at Adelaide oval given that
they're every where else in Adelaide.

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#55 Post by rev » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:09 am

LMB wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:00 pm
AdelaideGold wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:29 pm
Would be a good way to activate that side of the Torrens in my opinion and sounds as though there is strong demand for further 4-5 star hotels. In addition some of those older hotels would likely need to consider upgrading as people would be more likely to stay in a new hotel


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I couldn't disagree more. This hotel would open as a 5 star. The general public wouldn't be able to get into the place on event dates - media, corporates, affilliates, sponsors etc would be given first priority and the hotel will be closed out to the general public. So anyone that thinks that they are actually going to stay there on key dates is kidding themselves. This hotel will be for 'the other half'.

On NON-event dates, this hotel will be competing with all of the other 4.5 to 5 star properties in the CBD. Remember we've still got the Sofitel, Crowne Plaza and Casino hotel (plus a few more) to come online. So we're going to have a lot of top end hotel rooms, all competing against each other in the $250-$400 per night range. With the exception of a few scattered dates throughout the year, our current 4.5 to 5 star hotels are not regularly filling their rooms NOW. So I predict doom and gloom in the 5 star category in the years that follow.

The older hotels won't need to do a thing - the 5 star hotels will bring themselves undone. Adelaide needs more hotels entering the market in the 3-4 star range. (Think Ibis and Holiday Inn Express). Way too much supply of 5 star product.
You mean the older so called 5 star hotels that haven’t updated their facade let alone their interiors and room fitouts in a generation?

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#56 Post by ghs » Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:08 am

rev wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:20 pm
ghs wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:48 am
Will there be a road guy going thru the parklands into the hotel ? If not then this is a recipe for disaster.
Why would there need to be a road going through the parklands for this? There's an undercover car park directly below it.
That underground car park also serves as a drop off/pick up point for the Hill of Grace restaurant in the eastern stand.
Have you ever heard of a taxi ?

If so, how will the taxis drop off passengers from interstate with heavy baggage if there's no road ?

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#57 Post by Nort » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:14 am

ghs wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:08 am
rev wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:20 pm
ghs wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:48 am
Will there be a road guy going thru the parklands into the hotel ? If not then this is a recipe for disaster.
Why would there need to be a road going through the parklands for this? There's an undercover car park directly below it.
That underground car park also serves as a drop off/pick up point for the Hill of Grace restaurant in the eastern stand.
Have you ever heard of a taxi ?

If so, how will the taxis drop off passengers from interstate with heavy baggage if there's no road ?
Drop them off in the car park.

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#58 Post by Llessur2002 » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:25 am

ghs wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:08 am
rev wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:20 pm
ghs wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:48 am
Will there be a road guy going thru the parklands into the hotel ? If not then this is a recipe for disaster.
Why would there need to be a road going through the parklands for this? There's an undercover car park directly below it.
That underground car park also serves as a drop off/pick up point for the Hill of Grace restaurant in the eastern stand.
Have you ever heard of a taxi ?

If so, how will the taxis drop off passengers from interstate with heavy baggage if there's no road ?
I've stayed at several city hotels where the drop off point is in the basement carpark. Normally there's a lift and a concierge. It's a non-issue.

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#59 Post by HiTouch » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:48 am

I consulted my grandpa who said, just knock it all down.

I recon ghs and he would get along.
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Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:55 am
If the parklands are so important why dont they put it to a vote state wide? Or are they afraid the majority will back this hotel..

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#60 Post by ghs » Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:22 pm

Llessur2002 wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:25 am
ghs wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:08 am
rev wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:20 pm


Why would there need to be a road going through the parklands for this? There's an undercover car park directly below it.
That underground car park also serves as a drop off/pick up point for the Hill of Grace restaurant in the eastern stand.
Have you ever heard of a taxi ?

If so, how will the taxis drop off passengers from interstate with heavy baggage if there's no road ?
I've stayed at several city hotels where the drop off point is in the basement carpark. Normally there's a lift and a concierge. It's a non-issue.
Mate, it's not going to be so easy at Adelaide oval. They're going to have to go up one lift to get out of the basement then walk to the hotel reception, check in and go up the lift in the hotel to their room. With heavy baggage ? I would also be concerned about my safety at the hotel, how does the fire truck get in if there's a massive fire in the hotel.

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