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[VIS] Re: Central Market

Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:19 pm
by crawf
Looks extremely promising.

[VIS] Re: Central Market

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:42 am
by ml69
TorrensSA wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:28 pm
The promenade would end at about the middle of where the current Coles is, it looks to be about 25m wide
The promenade can’t possibly be 25m wide. That would make it as wide as Rundle Mall.
I think you are being fooled by the perspective view. It’s probably between 12-15m wide.

[VIS] Re: Central Market

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:53 am
by HeapsGood
I love the facade and matching it to the existing red brick frontage.

They need to try and keep some of the internal character the same at the central markets, as they risk making the new area outshine the new and creating potential alienation between the two sections.

I would have thought they could utilise the roof of the new market arcade for a nice roof top bar/cafe or something...

I thought I read that deliveries will take place underground now, as opposed to Grote St. There is no information about this yet.

[VIS] Re: Central Market

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:14 pm
by Nort
HeapsGood wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:53 am
I would have thought they could utilise the roof of the new market arcade for a nice roof top bar/cafe or something...
If there are planning on using the airspace above the markets for a couple of towards I wouldn't be surprised to see that.

[VIS] Re: Central Market

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:33 pm
by TorrensSA
ml69 wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:42 am
TorrensSA wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:28 pm
The promenade would end at about the middle of where the current Coles is, it looks to be about 25m wide
The promenade can’t possibly be 25m wide. That would make it as wide as Rundle Mall.
I think you are being fooled by the perspective view. It’s probably between 12-15m wide.

Look at the third picture and the white building across Grote street, it is 12m wide and lines up with the middle of the promenade, so the promenade is probably 20 to 25m wide.

[VIS] Re: Central Market

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 1:22 pm
by Llessur2002
$51 million slated for Central Market Arcade revamp

Adelaide City Council has estimated it will cost more than $51 million to redevelop and expand the ageing Central Market Arcade.

Draft budget papers obtained by InDaily show the council expects to spend $24,031,201 in 2020-21 and 2021-22 to cover the cost of the arcade redevelopment.

The council estimates a developer would contribute a further $27 million to build above the ground-floor retail space.

However, the multi-million dollar investment is expected to boost the council’s coffers significantly, with the end market value of the ground-floor development anticipated to come in at $72 million.

Rent from the ground floor retail space is expected to generate $4.45 to $5.45 million each year, with rates set to fetch between $1.5 and $1.8 million annually.

The council has stressed the figures are a work in progress and may be subject to change once a developer and design is finalised.

Adelaide City Council took control of the arcade – which hasn’t been redeveloped since the 1960s – in September last year when the building’s ground lease expired.

An expression of interest process was launched in 2017 to find a developer for the site, with the chosen firm set to be announced by the middle of this year.

Construction is anticipated to begin after September next year, when the current tenant leases are due to expire.

All up, the council would own and manage 6000 square-metres of retail space and 260 public car parks and loading areas on the ground-floor, with a developer to manage all above ground-level space.

Council’s associate property director Tom McCready said “multiple” developer proposals were submitted through the expression of interest process.

He said the redevelopment would turn the arcade and Central Market precinct into a “food and wine destination of international repute”.

“We were delighted with the interest received and high level of thought shown through the initial stage 1 proposals, and have now shortlisted developers/consortia,” he said.

“From the level of interest shown, it’s clear developers have identified this city-shaping project as a once-in-a-generation opportunity.”

According to the draft papers, the arcade redevelopment has the potential to support both “day and night-time activities” and improve the north-south and east-west connections in the city.

The papers also state a redevelopment could “secure the future of the Adelaide Central Market for at least the next 50 years”.

The council has remained tight-lipped on its shortlisted developers from the expression of interest process, citing commercial and legal reasons.

On Saturday, The Advertiser published early concept renders prepared by Adelaide-based architecture firm Hardy Milazzo of what a redeveloped arcade could look like.

According to The Advertiser, the plans included an underground supermarket and retail area, a large open public space labelled a “grand promenade” and two residential and commercial towers constructed above the arcade.

However, InDaily understands the images are several years out of date and do not represent the concepts currently being considered by the council.


In response to InDaily’s questions about the status of the images, a council spokesperson would only say that they were not provided by the council.

The future for the approximate 60 traders currently renting in the arcade remains unclear, with McCready confirming there was “no guaranteed right of return at this stage”.

“We are yet to determine the retail mix within the redevelopment,” McCready said.

“The City of Adelaide is working closely with the Central Market Arcade Traders Association and traders to support the existing Central Market Arcade shopping centre.”

In September last year traders were offered a two-year lease with a six month redevelopment clause.

Central Market Arcade Traders’ Association president Craig Lunn said despite traders’ uncertainty about their long-term future at the arcade, “the atmosphere is quite positive”.

“It’s not doom and gloom, we just don’t know at what point we’re at,” he said.

“The original timeframe when they laid this out a couple of years ago showed that by December 2018 they would actually have someone signed up as their preferred option.

“That’s taken longer than thought but that’s a good thing from our point of view.

“If they’re not telling us anything it means they’re still trying to negotiate planning and that’s buying us more time.”

McCready said the council would continue to engage with existing traders ahead of the redevelopment start date.
From: https://indaily.com.au/news/local/2019/ ... de-revamp/

[VIS] Re: Central Market

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:43 pm
by SRW
Saw an arcade trader post on FB that they've been given a year's lease extension (they'd been in the dark) so the 2020 schedule is definitely slipping.

[VIS] Re: Central Market

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:14 pm
by EBG
we just don’t know at what point we’re at,”

that says it all.....

[VIS] Re: Central Market

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:56 pm
by Waewick
They would want to be very very careful with what they do.

The central market charm might be lost for good if they try and make it what it isn't.

[VIS] Re: Central Market

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:41 pm
by Patrick_27
Waewick wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:56 pm
They would want to be very very careful with what they do.

The central market charm might be lost for good if they try and make it what it isn't.
Wholeheartedly agree with this. I said this as someone who lived in Adelaide and frequented the Central Markets, and I say this even more now that I live in Melbourne and genuinely struggle to find anything that comes close to the Central Market, over here the best we have is South Melbourne or Preston Markets, but even then they're laced with undertones of commercialism. If they're to progress with this, the designs on the previous page (which apparently are old compared to what they're working on now) are the type of feel I would hope for in a redevelopment. And if they are to sell the airspace, I really think that the state government should reconsider their positioning of the culinary school, if they had half a brain, they would realise that locating within the market precinct would make it a destination institution rather than just another hospitality school.

[VIS] Re: Central Market

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:14 am
by SRW
The desired look and feel and amenity of the market (including a hospitality school) are all agreeably expressed in the district plan and development principles. Whether they're achieved, we'll have to wait and see a little bit longer. The council is slipping timelines both here and 88 O'Connell (of which the folly of purchasing is made even clearer by the fact they long had the arcade redo on the cards and now need to get two mammoth developments off the ground simultaneously).

[VIS] Re: Central Market

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:28 am
by dsriggs
Waewick wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:56 pm
They would want to be very very careful with what they do.

The central market charm might be lost for good if they try and make it what it isn't.
You're completely right about how vital it is to maintain the character of the actual markets themselves. However, there is absolutely nothing whatsoever worth salvaging from the Market Arcade next door. Looks exactly how suburban shopping centres like Ingle Farm & St. Agnes used to look from the 70's through the 00's, when even they redeveloped. It's old, tired & right in the middle of one of the most important tourist precincts in the CBD. Get the wrecking ball through it.

[VIS] Re: Central Market

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:25 am
by rev
I still think that that along with China Town, there should be a Little Italy, a Greek Town, Thai & Indian areas..all fronting onto Gouger street. Then within the complex it self have other lesser represented ethnic cuisines.
Like a giant global foods market. Is there anywhere in Australia with a huge complex like that?
Move everything there that doesn't fit into those categories into a new second level above Coles between Gouger and Grote.

Adelaide needs to stop being afraid of expansion.

[VIS] Re: Central Market

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:26 am
by Nort
rev wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:25 am
I still think that that along with China Town, there should be a Little Italy, a Greek Town, Thai & Indian areas..all fronting onto Gouger street. Then within the complex it self have other lesser represented ethnic cuisines.
Like a giant global foods market. Is there anywhere in Australia with a huge complex like that?
Move everything there that doesn't fit into those categories into a new second level above Coles between Gouger and Grote.

Adelaide needs to stop being afraid of expansion.
Totally disagree. Those types of areas typically grow organically and have history. Intentionally segregating out restaurants by nation is tacky, like turning the area into a shopping center food court.

[VIS] Re: Central Market

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:22 pm
by obituary resider
SRW wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:14 am
The desired look and feel and amenity of the market (including a hospitality school) are all agreeably expressed in the district plan and development principles. Whether they're achieved, we'll have to wait and see a little bit longer. The council is slipping timelines both here and 88 O'Connell (of which the folly of purchasing is made even clearer by the fact they long had the arcade redo on the cards and now need to get two mammoth developments off the ground simultaneously).
This one will certainly be worth the wait :wink: