News & Discussion: General CBD Development

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Re: News & Discussion: General CBD Development

#2206 Post by Llessur2002 » Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:08 am

It's difficult to tell too much about the second and third options from the little pictures above but the first one with the bendy poles just looks plain awful. Don't often say it, but based on these pics it seems like the right call from ACC on this one.
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Re: News & Discussion: General CBD Development

#2207 Post by Mpol03 » Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:23 am

Now that they are activating all laneways through to the market to connect to the oval, how feasible would it be to have a consistent light feature run from the markets to oval? A cool way of shepherding people through and helping them discover the laneways would be fun.

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Re: News & Discussion: General CBD Development

#2208 Post by [Shuz] » Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:39 am

Do agree with the ACC on this one as well. The lighting proposals are substandard. Surprised that this is what Renewal SA came up with, and then to "consult" with council so late in the design process. They should have been involved from the get-go. If they really had to go with one of the options, I do like the geometric triangular style, which ties in nicely with the footbridge pylons, however not at that size. Several smaller (soccer ball) sized ones would be better IMO.

I think a good alternative solution would be for lighting strips embedded within the footpath itself or along the footpath edges and/or if they did some sort of cantilever / awning lighting thing, similar to what has gone up in Topham Mall. Not the big light feature, but the black L shaped things - but with lighting within them.

Quick google search comes up with what I have in mind:

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Re: News & Discussion: General CBD Development

#2209 Post by Matt » Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:27 pm

Llessur2002 wrote:It's difficult to tell too much about the second and third options from the little pictures above but the first one with the bendy poles just looks plain awful. Don't often say it, but based on these pics it seems like the right call from ACC on this one.
Agree, the first one is easily the worst.
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Re: News & Discussion: General CBD Development

#2210 Post by Goodsy » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:33 pm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-06/t ... ed/9230970

Fibre internet promised to be up to 100 times faster than the National Broadband Network (NBN) is about to become available in Adelaide's CBD.

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Re: News & Discussion: General CBD Development

#2211 Post by Nathan » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:48 pm

Goodsy wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:33 pm
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-06/t ... ed/9230970

Fibre internet promised to be up to 100 times faster than the National Broadband Network (NBN) is about to become available in Adelaide's CBD.
It's a great initiative, but they're a bit unclear on what kind of businesses this is aimed at (same complaint to Gigcity). As a small design studio, are we able to get on this, or is it meant for offices and businesses with 100+ people?

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Re: News & Discussion: General CBD Development

#2212 Post by Llessur2002 » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:11 pm

Nathan wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:48 pm
Goodsy wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:33 pm
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-06/t ... ed/9230970

Fibre internet promised to be up to 100 times faster than the National Broadband Network (NBN) is about to become available in Adelaide's CBD.
It's a great initiative, but they're a bit unclear on what kind of businesses this is aimed at (same complaint to Gigcity). As a small design studio, are we able to get on this, or is it meant for offices and businesses with 100+ people?
According to InDaily it will be any CBD business that requests it. Great initiative indeed.
Ultra-fast Internet to "transform" Adelaide's economy

Ultra-fast Internet connections will be offered to every Adelaide city business in a project that promises to underwrite the economic future of the CBD, reverse the exodus of large corporations since the 1970s and keep young people in the state, Lord Mayor Martin Haese says.

Haese this morning unveiled what he describes as the most transformational infrastructure project Adelaide has seen in decades – a fibre optic internet network “100 times faster than the NBN” – to be offered to all city businesses with free installation, “competitive” pricing and guaranteed 10-gigabit speeds.

Adelaide City Council has signed a contract with TPG – after two years of planning and negotiation – to allow the Internet service provider free access to the city’s network of subterranean tunnels, to bring fibre optic cable to every business within the CBD’s 1700 commercial buildings that asks for it.

“This is the most exciting and compelling announcement that this city has had in many, many decades,” Haese told reporters at a press conference this morning.

“In the 19th century, it was all about locomotive; in the 20th century it was all about laying our roads – well, in the 21st century, today is all about laying out data networks.

“That’s what makes cities work – that’s what makes cities competitive – is data networks.

“We’re implementing Australia’s first super-fast, cloud-based, data network.”

He said the network would be a boon for Adelaide’s economy, for its global competitiveness and for employment in the CBD.

The number of people employed in Adelaide’s CBD fell by more than 6000 between 2014 and 2016.

“(The project) says Adelaide is open for business, Adelaide welcomes investment and Adelaide is a global city,” Haese said, adding that his council was spending “in excess of $10 million” on the project.

He would not be more specific about the cost for “commercial-in-confidence” reasons.

“This project, partially funded by the city council is something that we can quite easily accommodate,” he said.

“The return to our ratepayers is very, very clear.

“We want to create … knowledge economy jobs for the children of the ratepayers of the city of Adelaide.”

The Ten Gigabit Adelaide network will only be available to business operators in the CBD and North Adelaide – not to residents.

The project is distinct from the State Government’s Gig City network, which is only available to research, health and educational institutions, and businesses located at innovation “hubs”, such as the Tonsley Innovation District.

It is also separate from Australia’s National Broadband Network, which has been plagued by complaints about slow speeds and imperfect installations.

TPG corporate, government and wholesale group executive Mark Rafferty told reporters the Ten Gigabit Adelaide network would start to become available to city businesses in the near future.

“We’re going to be ready to receive orders with a small number of … buildings immediately, and we plan on launching the products that will be available in the next couple of weeks,” he said.

“Every business in this city will (eventually) get its own dedicated piece of fibre.

“This is going to be a network that is based on performance and guarantees … it is available to wholesale telecommunication providers as well.”

He said the ultra-fast connections would be offered at a competitive price.

“We’ve been offering a fibre product across the country that is similar of nature (but) what we’ve done for Adelaide is … we are going to be offering significant scale (and) significant speeds at a really, really cost-effective rate for businesses,” he said.

“It’s going to be imperative to have a guaranteed speed.”

Rafferty said he would like to see the fibre completely rolled out “within a couple of years”.

He added: “We’re probably not exposing the total cost of the network (however) we’re putting a significant about of capital investment in this infrastructure.”

Property Council President Daniel Gannon said the project would help address Adelaide’s high commercial building vacancy rate.

Central Ward councillor Houssam Abiad told InDaily the network would be able to guarantee 10-gigabit speeds to every city business because each will be supplied with an individual fibre cable, unlike other systems where a cable is sent to a building and split among users.

The council unanimously endorsed the project at a confidential meeting last night.

Haese said Ten Gigabit Adelaide would be the most significant achievement of his term as Lord Mayor, and that Adelaide’s notoriously-slow free WiFi network, future smart parking projects and traffic management tools would all benefit from connection to the network.

He told InDaily Adelaide had begun losing head offices from its CBD in and around the 1970s, and that Ten Gigabit Adelaide would help attract big companies back here.

“We lost a lot of head offices in about the 1970s onwards … we want to address that deficit,” he said.

We want to get right behind industries like education, medical, health sciences, research in all its forms, technology … we want (Adelaide) to be a magnet for startups and entrepreneurs, nationally and beyond.

“The overarching vision here is to position Adelaide … as being the most digitally connected city in Australia.”

CEO Mark Goldstone told InDaily Ten Gigabit Adelaide would also create a significant new revenue stream for the council.
From: https://indaily.com.au/news/2017/12/06/ ... s-economy/

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Re: News & Discussion: General CBD Development

#2213 Post by Nathan » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:35 pm

Llessur2002 wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:11 pm
According to InDaily it will be any CBD business that requests it. Great initiative indeed.
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#2214 Post by Allkai » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:43 pm

Can't they give the "young people of the state" an Adelaidefree wi-fi that works first.....?

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#2215 Post by monotonehell » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:18 pm

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Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:43 pm
Can't they give the "young people of the state" an Adelaidefree wi-fi that works first.....?
The problem with that is AdelaideFree was built on top of Internode's wifi network. And Internode have been gutted after being taken over by TPG, so I don't know of there's any actual management in charge of that anymore. If it's like the rest of what's left of Internode, it has just been left as is without any further work being done on it.
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#2216 Post by Nathan » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:02 am

Replacing their open car park on the corner of West Tce and Franklin St.

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Adelaide’s St Mary’s College to get $12 million renovation including gym on top of Year 12 centre
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A $12 million redevelopment of St Mary’s College includes a gym on top of a new Year 12 study centre and visual arts classrooms.

Work will start tomorrow on the project, which also includes a new front entrance on Franklin St, a junior play area, digital technology classrooms and a refurbished administration building.

Principal Clare Nocka said the 14m-high gym would be an “impressive addition to the West Tce facade” of the all-girls school.

The gym, with a full-size basketball/netball court, will be separated by the “highest level of acoustic flooding” from the Year 12 study centre and visual arts teaching area on the ground floor.

“I think the design has been very attentive to blending in with the heritage architecture,” Ms Nocka said.

“The wall, for example, in the new section of the build has been designed to blend with the heritage wall and at the front entrance there’s a lot of glazing so it’s very sensitive to the heritage facade of the Boylan (administration) building.”

The existing gym, built in 1996, will be demolished by Christmas.

The project will increase the school’s capacity from 790 to 850 to cater for an influx expected when Year 7 becomes part of high school in the Catholic system in 2019.

It was approved by the Development Assessment Commission in August.

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#2217 Post by how good is he » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:25 am

"A gym/basketball/netball court above classrooms .... with the highest level of acoustic flooring." Does anyone on the forum have any experience or knowledge of a comparable project/s to show that it can work/be soundproof/shudder proof?

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#2218 Post by Nathan » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:05 pm

how good is he wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:25 am
"A gym/basketball/netball court above classrooms .... with the highest level of acoustic flooring." Does anyone on the forum have any experience or knowledge of a comparable project/s to show that it can work/be soundproof/shudder proof?
Not even close to comparable, but was watching a doco recently about the Crossrail tunnel in London and what they were doing where the tunnel passes directly underneath the Barbican's concert hall. They used floating slabs made from extremely dense concrete, which minimises vibrations enough that absolutely nothing can be heard within the concert hall.

I'd imagine they could get away with a sufficiently thick floor slab, with a floating floor and some kind of noise and vibration dampening in-between.

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#2219 Post by monotonehell » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:46 pm

how good is he wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:25 am
"A gym/basketball/netball court above classrooms .... with the highest level of acoustic flooring." Does anyone on the forum have any experience or knowledge of a comparable project/s to show that it can work/be soundproof/shudder proof?
CBC has playing fields on top... dunno how the sound is underneath.
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#2220 Post by Algernon » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:19 pm

Nathan wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:05 pm
how good is he wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:25 am
"A gym/basketball/netball court above classrooms .... with the highest level of acoustic flooring." Does anyone on the forum have any experience or knowledge of a comparable project/s to show that it can work/be soundproof/shudder proof?
Not even close to comparable, but was watching a doco recently about the Crossrail tunnel in London and what they were doing where the tunnel passes directly underneath the Barbican's concert hall. They used floating slabs made from extremely dense concrete, which minimises vibrations enough that absolutely nothing can be heard within the concert hall.

I'd imagine they could get away with a sufficiently thick floor slab, with a floating floor and some kind of noise and vibration dampening in-between.
Even if it all can't be eliminated with a single layer of dense concrete, they can build multiple layers with an air cavity between. E.g. Elbphilharmonie in Hamburg is a concert hall on a seaport, even the foghorn of a cargo ship can't get in.

That said this is just an adelaide school. Prolly build it nice and cheap and if the students complain just discipline their lack of patience.

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