News & Discussion: Metropolitan Developments

All high-rise, low-rise and street developments in areas other than the CBD and North Adelaide. Includes Port Adelaide and Glenelg.
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Re: News & Discussion: Metropolitan Developments

#1216 Post by how good is he » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:31 pm

I think the traders on Jetty Rd prefer the customers that actually spend and are in/out over the window shoppers that may spend all day walking up and down the strip but spend very little relative to the time they are there. Sure its ok if you are the one enjoying the day/destination but that doesn’t pay the bills for the traders (with the highest rents in SA alongside Rundle Mall/The Parade.)

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Re: News & Discussion: Metropolitan Developments

#1217 Post by SRW » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:59 pm

how good is he wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:31 pm
I think the :cheers: traders on Jetty Rd prefer the customers that actually spend and are in/out over the window shoppers that may spend all day walking up and down the strip but spend very little relative to the time they are there. Sure its ok if you are the one enjoying the day/destination but that doesn’t pay the bills for the traders (with the highest rents in SA alongside Rundle Mall/The Parade.)
Getting people to visit the strip is half the battle!

Most traders will blame low foot traffic for poor performance. So if the proposed revamp is likely to increase it (per the example of similar efforts elsewhere), that’s a good thing.

As a trader on a strip (albeit in another district), ‘window shoppers’ as you describe them are not a problem. It’s ultimately up to the trader to convert browsers to buyers. If they can’t, that’s a reflection of either their service or offering.
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Re: News & Discussion: Metropolitan Developments

#1218 Post by rhino » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:13 pm

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Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:07 pm
It’s a shame that some traders can’t see the benefit of that versus the loss of a few time-restricted car parks.
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Surely they can see that increased foot traffic is going to outweigh by far the small number of shoppers who might be turned away by the fact that they can't get a rockstar carpark (which is what you would need if there is a 15-minute time limit set)
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Re: News & Discussion: Metropolitan Developments

#1219 Post by how good is he » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:48 pm

Having lived there I would say that Jetty Rd/Glenelg has two very distinct almost opposing demographics. If you go there in winter it is almost a ghost town and it is the regulars/locals that keep the place going esp. the Mon- Fri 9am-5pm trade. I think the "rockstar carpark" catch-phrase is a being over-used in this discussion and maybe "granny/little old lady carpark" is more an apt title.
The locals/regulars are used to being able to park for most of the year easily, get what they need & able to get on with their day quickly. Be it the bank, chemist, newsagency, centrelink [pensioners], dry cleaner, fruit&veg., bakery etc The other market, the "blow-in" leisurely/holiday/destination/tourist market predominately frequents the place in nice weather/summer and mainly weekends. This demographic tends to mainly service only the food/drink traders and the bit of retail that there is. This often forces the locals/regulars to head as far away as Glenelg South to The Broadway to get what they need and to remind themselves of a gentler time...

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Re: News & Discussion: Metropolitan Developments

#1220 Post by Nathan » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:15 pm

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Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:48 pm
Having lived there I would say that Jetty Rd/Glenelg has two very distinct almost opposing demographics. If you go there in winter it is almost a ghost town and it is the regulars/locals that keep the place going esp. the Mon- Fri 9am-5pm trade. I think the "rockstar carpark" catch-phrase is a being over-used in this discussion and maybe "granny/little old lady carpark" is more an apt title.
The locals/regulars are used to being able to park for most of the year easily, get what they need & able to get on with their day quickly. Be it the bank, chemist, newsagency, centrelink [pensioners], dry cleaner, fruit&veg., bakery etc The other market, the "blow-in" leisurely/holiday/destination/tourist market predominately frequents the place in nice weather/summer and mainly weekends. This demographic tends to mainly service only the food/drink traders and the bit of retail that there is. This often forces the locals/regulars to head as far away as Glenelg South to The Broadway to get what they need and to remind themselves of a gentler time...
I grew up around Glenelg, and you're right about the two demographics. Most of those kind of businesses that fit that 'pop in' style (bank, chemist, bakery, etc. etc.) are down the eastern half of Jetty Rd. The majority of the car parks to be removed will be at the western, beach end.

During the ghost town time of the year, the 30 parks will have zero consequence. During the summer, even with the current number of parks, I would never ever consider trying to find a park on Jetty Rd. The time you save walking from your rockstar park to the shop is more than wiped out by trundling up and down slowly looking for one, stuck behind all the other people doing the same. This applied as much 20 years ago as it does now.

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Re: News & Discussion: Metropolitan Developments

#1221 Post by Eurostar » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:10 pm

Nathan wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:15 pm
how good is he wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:48 pm
Having lived there I would say that Jetty Rd/Glenelg has two very distinct almost opposing demographics. If you go there in winter it is almost a ghost town and it is the regulars/locals that keep the place going esp. the Mon- Fri 9am-5pm trade. I think the "rockstar carpark" catch-phrase is a being over-used in this discussion and maybe "granny/little old lady carpark" is more an apt title.
The locals/regulars are used to being able to park for most of the year easily, get what they need & able to get on with their day quickly. Be it the bank, chemist, newsagency, centrelink [pensioners], dry cleaner, fruit&veg., bakery etc The other market, the "blow-in" leisurely/holiday/destination/tourist market predominately frequents the place in nice weather/summer and mainly weekends. This demographic tends to mainly service only the food/drink traders and the bit of retail that there is. This often forces the locals/regulars to head as far away as Glenelg South to The Broadway to get what they need and to remind themselves of a gentler time...
I grew up around Glenelg, and you're right about the two demographics. Most of those kind of businesses that fit that 'pop in' style (bank, chemist, bakery, etc. etc.) are down the eastern half of Jetty Rd. The majority of the car parks to be removed will be at the western, beach end.

During the ghost town time of the year, the 30 parks will have zero consequence. During the summer, even with the current number of parks, I would never ever consider trying to find a park on Jetty Rd. The time you save walking from your rockstar park to the shop is more than wiped out by trundling up and down slowly looking for one, stuck behind all the other people doing the same. This applied as much 20 years ago as it does now.
When I visit Glenelg in my car I find it easy to park in the carpark below the GU Filmhouse Cinemas especially if I just want to pick up an order at North Indian Cuisine

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Re: News & Discussion: Metropolitan Developments

#1222 Post by ghs » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:41 pm

When I visit Glenelg in my car I find it easy to park in the carpark below the GU Filmhouse Cinemas especially if I just want to pick up an order at North Indian Cuisine
Mate, how much advertising do you want to do on this site ?

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Re: News & Discussion: Metropolitan Developments

#1223 Post by [Shuz] » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:54 am

ghs wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:41 pm
When I visit Glenelg in my car I find it easy to park in the carpark below the GU Filmhouse Cinemas especially if I just want to pick up an order at North Indian Cuisine
Mate, how much advertising do you want to do on this site ?
Coming from you, considering how much trolling you do that's a bit rich... pot, kettle, black.
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Re: News & Discussion: Metropolitan Developments

#1224 Post by fishinajar » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:32 am

Llessur2002 wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:38 am
I would suggest that if a business situated on a busy street like Jetty Road with plenty of pedestrian activity cannot survive if 30 of the several hundred car parks in the immediate vicinity are removed then they are not suited to the environment in which they are trying to trade and should move to one of the shopping centres located on main roads like Kurralta Park or Fulham Gardens.

There are plenty of businesses that would absolutely thrive on a revamped pedestrian-focused Jetty Road :roll:
I agree, but raise you, the 30 spaces would not actually be in the immediate vicinity of any one business. For any of the businesses they would be effectively losing only a few spaces that are actually close by.

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Re: News & Discussion: Metropolitan Developments

#1225 Post by Eurostar » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:03 pm

The new Liberty Service Station on corner of Hodby Crescent and Curtis Road in Smithfield Plains is now open. Cheaper fuel price compared to On The Run too.

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Re: News & Discussion: Metropolitan Developments

#1226 Post by Norman » Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:58 pm

Work start date for $13m Marion Hotel project
Michelle Etheridge, CoastCity Weekly Messenger, 11 December 2017

WORK will start in March on a $13 million overhaul of the Marion Hotel, including a five-storey accommodation complex.
A Marion Council panel last week approved the project, which will more than double the watering hole’s workforce from 45 people to 110.
Hurley Hotel Group general manager Sam McInnes hoped to fill a gap in accommodation in the area, particularly for people heading to the SA Aquatic & Leisure Centre and Tonsley and Flinders precincts.
“It’s very exciting times,” Mr McInnes said.
“I think the hotel is due for a bit of a revamp and we’re pleased to be heading forward with it.”
The Mitchell Park pub will feature 64 motel rooms, a beer garden, two dining areas, new bars, function rooms and a drive-through bottle shop.
Work is expected to take about a year.
The panel gave the pub permission to complete the project, subject to it submitting details on how stormwater would be captured and reused at the Marion Rd property.
The business also needs to provide more information on plans for trees and plants at the site.
Panel member Sue Giles said the hotel group had not demonstrated an intention to reuse extra stormwater run-off.
“This is a big development and I don’t consider that good enough,” she said.
“The development doesn’t contribute a great environmental contribution to the area.
“Social, yes, economic, yes, but not to the environment.”
Mr McInnes said the company was comfortable with the conditions imposed and could use recycled stormwater for irrigation.
Cr Janet Byram was concerned about plans to axe several mature trees on the property.
However, company representatives told the meeting the business had just planted 12 claret ash trees to make up for the loss.
“It’s a beautifully shaded site, and I felt it was a pity to lose that so it’s good to have those trees coming back,” Cr Byram said.
It will be the hotel’s first major revamp in about 20 years.
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Re: News & Discussion: Metropolitan Developments

#1227 Post by Nathan » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:05 pm

Could probably do with it's own thread like Tonsley, but for now:
Pelligra Group to turn Holden’s Elizabeth plant into hi-tech manufacturing hub
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JUST 56 days after the automotive industry in South Australia was given its last rites, a Victorian white knight is set to splash $250 million on reinvigorating the state’s most iconic industry site.

The Pelligra Group, a Melbourne-based industrial and construction powerhouse, is to turn the Holden site in Elizabeth, which shut down in October, into a world-class and hi-tech manufacturing hub fuelled by local, national and international tenants.

The deal for the newly named Lionsgate Business Park — for an undisclosed sum — is set to go through on Friday after Pelligra chairman, Ross Pelligra, signed the unconditional undertaking on Wednesday night.

Up to 400 construction jobs will be created during the initial phase of a master plan expected to stretch to 20 years before it is completed, Mr Pelligra told The Advertiser.

A further 100 jobs could be created via a plan to make the site green — renewable energy has a vital and huge future in Adelaide, he said.

The Pelligra Group has been working on the deal since May this year, said the company’s development manager Sean Doyle, who has driven the purchase along with his 39-year-old chairman.

Sustaining its heritage and helping the local workforce will be integral to Pelligra’s attempt to position Lionsgate as a destination for clean manufacturing and engineering along the lines of the standards set by the food industry in Japan, Mr Pelligra said.

An on-site museum to pay tribute to the culture and legacy of the GMH workforce will be up and running soon.

“We will start the process of interviewing operators for it,” Mr Pelligra said.

“By February, we will be in a position to start naming some clients. There is already a lot of interest in Lionsgate from our clients in Melbourne.”

High-end manufacturing and research and development are Mr Pelligra’s initial goals.

“We will take manufacturing to the next level of urban renewal,” he said.

“All of the key infrastructure is in place in the surrounding areas, there is no box this project doesn’t tick.

“Manufacturing is not dead in Australia, it’s dead for the $2 job which we should not be working for anyway.”

Pelligra will lease back about 30 per cent of the site to GMH so it can continue its parts and servicing operations, a process expected to last up to 10 years, while education, sport and recreation and retail precincts will all be developed once the manufacturing precinct is under way at Lionsgate.

A separate GMH decommissioning process expected to last until mid-2019 has already begun.

Holden director of manufacturing, engineering and facilities Matthew Goodwins said Holden was pleased the site would continue to be a hub of industry and jobs.

“Our wish for the future of the site has always been that it continues to create jobs for Elizabeth and the surrounding area and we believe that Pelligra’s master plan for the site is positioned to achieve this,” Mr Goodwins said.

“We are also delighted with Pelligra’s intention to recognise the heritage of the site and its important place in Adelaide’s history and in the Elizabeth community.”

Mr Pelligra confirmed Salisbury and Playford councils, and SA Premier Jay Weatherill have been wholly supportive of the project.

“This is exciting news for the people of the northern suburbs and demonstrates the confidence investors have in the South Australian economy” Mr Weatherill said.

“This site is set to become a shining example of our state’s transition from old economy to new economy.

“Hopefully it won’t be too long before the site has more people working on it than Holden did.”

The Melbourne-headquartered Pelligra group — a third-generation family outfit — has 700 staff across southeast Australia and parts of Asia and comes with a heavy construction catalogue of industrial warehouses, business parks and offices around outer, industrial Melbourne.

Mr Pelligra says the new acquisition will allow former automotive workers to re-employ their skills and experience within the many companies he hopes to bring to Lionsgate.

“I don’t want GMH to become a storage facility,” Mr Pelligra told The Advertiser.

Among its construction achievements, Pelligra boasts a landmark 8400 sqm warehouse for Steelforce in Melbourne, a multipurpose business centre in Roxburgh Park and is constructing a huge state-of-the-art industrial and logistics facility in Altona, North Victoria.

It is also about to develop a former ECH site in Largs Bay in Adelaide and has expansive plans for South Australia.

“We are not stopping there, we are looking at other projects in Adelaide,” Mr Pelligra said.

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