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Re: Projects: Henley Beach/Grange
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:25 pm
by Paulns
Xaragmata wrote:Some inside views - it's an L-shaped mall, something like Hilton s/c, with a travelator from the carpark & Military Road. A lot of temporary walling in place,
where new shops will go as they are leased ...
I dont think its intended to be an L - Shaped mall in the greater scheme of things. If you look at the first photo where the travelator terminates at the top, I think you'll find that IF the next stage of the development goes ahead, the wall on the left of screen would be knocked out to connect with the new extension - new shops etc..
Anyway this decision is an absolute disgrace. Its times like these the Government should step in and over ride these crappy little councils for the greater good of the entire city!
Vee wrote:For heaven's sake, 5-10 levels is not exactly high rise a la Gold Coast style.
Correct!!!!
I really do hope the next stage goes ahead. Henley Beach is really starting to come alive! Adelaide needs this!
Re: Projects: Henley Beach/Grange
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:37 pm
by Xaragmata
Paulns wrote:Xaragmata wrote:Some inside views - it's an L-shaped mall, something like Hilton s/c, with a travelator from the carpark & Military Road.
A lot of temporary walling in place, where new shops will go as they are leased ...
I dont think its intended to be an L - Shaped mall in the greater scheme of things. If you look at the first photo where the travelator terminates at the top, I think you'll find that IF the next stage of the development goes ahead, the wall on the left of screen would be knocked out to connect with the new extension - new shops etc..
That makes sense - an extension to Main Street, perhaps with a grander entrance than the one on Seaview Road, looking across to the Ramsgate.
Re: Projects: Henley Beach/Grange
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:18 am
by rhino
Thanks for posting that vid, Crawf! I grew up in Henley Beach during the late 60s, 70s and early 80s, but unfortunately for a lot of that time Henley Square was a bit of a nowhere place - in between the time when trams brought the crowds of beachgoers, after the pavillion had come down, and before the re-modelling of the early 80s. Back then the square was just a big bitumen carpark full of drunk twenty-somethings (pretty scary place for a kid), and was best avoided. There was a brick sound shell that never seemed to get used, no-one mourned it when it was pulled down. With the re-modelling, the square started being used again - it became a place where you were happy to go and spend an afternoon. Cafes and bars = good, but drunks shouting and fighting in a public place = bad.
Re: Projects: Henley Beach/Grange
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:11 pm
by baytram366
Just noticed in todays Advertiser Business Journal 251 Seaview Road has been put up for Auction at "short notice". Hopefully this doesn't mean it will be sold and bulldozed. I am keen to see it cleaned up and restored to its former glory. Its also a once off type building having been built by the MTT in the early 1900's to entice people to visit Henley Beach by tram. The same architect built the Hackney Tram Depot hence the buildings both having the same "tram barn" styling.
Re: Projects: Henley Beach/Grange
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:11 am
by Ben
From the Messenger:
Henley building to go to appeals court
Local News14 Dec 11 @ 02:00pm by Lia Harris
THE developer of a five-storey complex planned for Henley Square says he will build apartments on the site regardless of a decision by the local planning body to knock back his application.
Charles Sturt Council’s Development Assessment Panel (DAP) voted unanimously on December 7 to refuse plans for the Seaview Rd complex, which included 22 shops, 66 apartments and an underground car park.
Panel members cited concerns including the height and scale of the development.
Developer Richard Antunes told the Weekly Times Messenger he would appeal the DAP’s decision in the Environment, Resources and Development (ERD) Court.
“Obviously we are sad we didn’t get an approval but we will be building something there regardless,” he said.
“We will be lodging an appeal in the ERD Court and will deal with it there.”
The Western Adelaide Coastal Residents Association spoke against the development at the December 7 meeting, raising concerns including traffic problems, overshadowing neighbouring properties and parking space.
President Jim Douglas also referred to problems associated with groundwater beneath Mr Antunes’ Baju and H20 complexes - under construction next to the site on Seaview Rd - being pumped out onto the beach.
DAP presiding member Stephen Hains told the meeting the development was “excessive” for the area, but he would support a smaller building.
Rob Loielo, who lives in nearby York St, told the paper: “My major concern is the effect it will have on traffic flow and the area just doesn’t have the infrastructure to cope with it.”
“It’s about the visual pollution as well because it will detract from the whole area,” Mr Loielo said. In August, the council received written representations about the plans from 40 residents, but fewer than five were passed on to the DAP because the remaining 35 residents lived outside the 60m consultation area.
East Tce resident Jeff Meiners said he was ‘‘really pleased” with the DAP’s decision. “I don’t think the development is in keeping with the village feel of Henley Beach,” Mr Meiners said.
Re: Projects: Henley Beach/Grange
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:30 am
by Will
“I don’t think the development is in keeping with the village feel of Henley Beach,”
Howie, can we also get the wank emoticon?
Projects: Henley Beach/Grange
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:18 am
by dsriggs
Re: Projects: Henley Beach/Grange
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:35 pm
by monotonehell
Will wrote:“I don’t think the development is in keeping with the village feel of Henley Beach,”
Howie, can we also get the wank emoticon?
I won't let him. It lowers the tone.
Re: Projects: Henley Beach/Grange
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:56 am
by Goya's Line
I'm not opposed this development but as a past resident and continued visitor to Estia on the square Jeff Meiners is right about the 'village feel' of Henley Beach. If development encroached west of Seaview Rd. I'd be worried about the loss of a popular, well frequented PUBLIC space (like the canyon that is now Colley Reserve).
Re: Projects: Henley Beach/Grange
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:25 am
by crawf
This development won't destroy the village feel, it will actually enhance it. The current site is the location of a ugly two storey building and carpark, which is such a waste for a prime location. I actually think it should be nearly double the height, but that's just me.
Re: Projects: Henley Beach/Grange
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:41 pm
by Adelarch
The concept ‘Village Feel’ is bandied about a lot these days, but what exactly is it?
Is it about scale of buildings? If so, I’ve seen plenty of villages in Europe that have buildings the same scale as H2O and Baju, so what’s the problem with these?
Perhaps it’s about a ‘Sense of Community’. But doesn’t higher density living by nature tend to lead to more interactions between people and encourage people to walk to the local shops rather than drive? Surely this is better for a local community, no? Unless of course the objective is to keep ‘Outsiders’ from entering the community in the first place.
Or is it about a quiet and peaceful environment with little traffic? Well aside from the fact that people living in higher density housing tend to own fewer cars and drive less, some clever, long term thinking by council in conjunction with the State Government in respect to traffic calming and promotion of public transport surely wouldn’t go astray here.
Personally I really like the outcome of these apartments, both aesthetically and also in terms of the life they’ll add to the town centre.
[Photo From AdelaideNow]
Re: Projects: Henley Beach/Grange
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:22 am
by Will
From the Messenger:
New plans lodged for Henley development
Local News3 Feb 12 @ 11:11am by Lia Harris
REVISED plans for a five-storey development at Henley Square are expected to be considered by the local planning body next week.
The original plans for the complex, which includes apartments and shops, were knocked back by Charles Sturt Council’s Development Assessment Panel (DAP) in November.
The new plans by developer Richard Antunes, who also owns the Baju and H20 complexes next door, include scaling back the fifth storey so it is not visible from the ground.
The number of apartments will also be reduced from 66 to 59.
For the full story, pick up next week’s Weekly Times Messenger.
Re: Projects: Henley Beach/Grange
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:07 am
by Xaragmata
Will wrote:From the Messenger:
New plans lodged for Henley development
Local News3 Feb 12 @ 11:11am by Lia Harris
REVISED plans for a five-storey development at Henley Square are expected to be considered by the local planning body next week.
Interesting, as it appeared that the existing vacant shops on the site were being altered and rewired two weeks ago. I haven't been back since.
Re: Projects: Henley Beach/Grange
Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 6:08 am
by Goya's Line
Was at Estia a month ago and couldn't see any further development - like I said, I hope this goes ahead but I'd hate to see absolute beachfront development in this area. I did notice signage on the old SASI building for a new restaurant/cafe. And the relatively new Cibo.
Re: Projects: Henley Beach/Grange
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:45 am
by Goya's Line
Because I'm awake and bored I'm gonna re-iterate my
on the concept of village living; I think it's more about promoting good standard essentials (restaurants, groceries) than trying to entice commercial ventures which can be found at Glenelg or West Lakes anyway. Tenants in higher density housing may tend to drive less in Europe, Asia or NY but Adelaide is more accessible, and more people naturally means more cars. Inevitably some residents will use these excuses to protect their own interests but I lived there for four years with just enough for rent, beer and pizza and loved it.
Incidentally, if you're after weird just jive through western Turkey... villages of less than 500 have 15 storey buildings, usually with the top floor incomplete to avoid paying a final construction tax.
