Housing Developments | Northern Suburbs

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Re: Housing Developments | Northern Suburbs

#781 Post by monotonehell » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:16 pm

rhino wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:21 pm
Never? Oh, maybe my childhood and youth, when we all grew up on 1/4 - acre blocks (1000 sq m) at Grange, Henley Beach, Fulham, West Beach and Glenelg with sheds, pigeon coops, swimming pools out back was an illusion then. My bad. I'll let my old buddies know. Thanks.
It only seemed big because we were smaller... yeah that must be it...

My parent's house is/was on a 60x40m block in the middle of Hope Valley. that's like 1/2 acre isn't it? Most of the neighbours were on the same size lots. A lot of them have been subdivided into two to four residences. But we don't need that much room, and it's not sustainable now. So sorry Rhino, you need to buy a farm house lot now.
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Re: Housing Developments | Northern Suburbs

#782 Post by Torrens_5022 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:33 pm

1000sqm blocks in suburbs wasn't the standard size, go look at the suburbs, Henley Beach South, Elizabeth's, etc 1950s subdivisions average block size 600sqm to 950sqm, the larger blocks are the more triangle shaped blocks, the 1/4 acre block never really existed, it was more a 1/5 acre block 800sqm and then from the 60s / 70s shrunk more. Now the standard new block is like 400sqm.

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Re: Housing Developments | Northern Suburbs

#783 Post by monotonehell » Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:07 pm

Torrens_5022 wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:33 pm
1000sqm blocks in suburbs wasn't the standard size, go look at the suburbs, Henley Beach South, Elizabeth's, etc 1950s subdivisions average block size 600sqm to 950sqm, the larger blocks are the more triangle shaped blocks, the 1/4 acre block never really existed, it was more a 1/5 acre block 800sqm and then from the 60s / 70s shrunk more. Now the standard new block is like 400sqm.
TBF pre WW2 and post 1970s they didn't exist. 1/4 acre blocks were a post war boom thing. Which started to die out in the 1980s because the autotopian dream is unsustainable. It's not that they didn't exist, it's that they only existed for a short time.
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Re: Housing Developments | Northern Suburbs

#784 Post by SBD » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:27 pm

rhino wrote:
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Where does one have to go to get a descent size block of land these days? One where I can have a nice house, a shed, an outdoor entertaining area, a double carport, room for a couple of fruit trees and some veggies, and a back lawn? 1000 sq m would be enough, and used to be the norm. So sad to see that 35km out from Adelaide we still have to live on top of each other :(
We bought in Blakeview Grove estate (Blakeview) about 5 years ago. It's not flat which seems to be a turn-off for a lot of people. Looks like there's a big vacant block for sale again now. I think that is being sold by its first owner. A couple of others in that street have sold a few times before someone eventually builds on them.

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Re: Housing Developments | Northern Suburbs

#785 Post by bits » Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:10 am

Block next to mine is 1200sqm and block behind that is 1750sqm.
North east suburbs 15km from cbd, divided up in the late 80's.

800-1000 is the norm for the area.

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#786 Post by Goodsy » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:36 pm

Is Virginia considered a northern suburb yet? when drove through Monday there's a lot of land clearing going on in the area North of the Wheatsheaf Hotel. There was also a big sign advertising a new estate to the east of Old Port Wakefield road

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#787 Post by ChillyPhilly » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:28 am

Goodsy wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:36 pm
Is Virginia considered a northern suburb yet? when drove through Monday there's a lot of land clearing going on in the area North of the Wheatsheaf Hotel. There was also a big sign advertising a new estate to the east of Old Port Wakefield road
Nothing really seems to be happening to the north, but this is the estate you mentioned (in red).

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Meanwhile for this thread, here's part of the plan for Buckland Park beyond what is listed in the 2018 UBD Street Directory or other sources:

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I'm also really disappointed in this large proposal in red. It's called the Playford Extension, AFAIK.

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The site to view this and other datasets is http://location.sa.gov.au/viewer/. Simply navigate click 'Datasets' and choose 'Property and Planning' under 'Land Management'.
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Re: Housing Developments | Northern Suburbs

#788 Post by SBD » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:41 am

ChillyPhilly wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:28 am
Goodsy wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:36 pm
Is Virginia considered a northern suburb yet? when drove through Monday there's a lot of land clearing going on in the area North of the Wheatsheaf Hotel. There was also a big sign advertising a new estate to the east of Old Port Wakefield road
Nothing really seems to be happening to the north, but this is the estate you mentioned (in red).

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Meanwhile for this thread, here's part of the plan for Buckland Park beyond what is listed in the 2018 UBD Street Directory or other sources:

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I'm also really disappointed in this large proposal in red. It's called the Playford Extension, AFAIK.

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The site to view this and other datasets is http://location.sa.gov.au/viewer/. Simply navigate click 'Datasets' and choose 'Property and Planning' under 'Land Management'.
I wonder what contamination has meant there is no proposal (red is proposed, not yet approved) for the section in the middle of the former munitions store. It looks like most of the remaining mid-sized store buildings would be removed for house blocks under that proposal, just keeping one that is presently in a vineyard, and the big one in the central area.

Despite red only meaning "proposed", the underlying image shows the drain has already been dug through the middle, so it must be close to approval.

I liked the rural feel of that buffer between the expressway and the suburb, but I also think that if the plains are to be developed further, this and Eyre are better places than the Almond Grove development further north that is already selling well.

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Re: Housing Developments | Northern Suburbs

#789 Post by [Shuz] » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:07 am

Great data-set; good detail and gives you a comprehensive overview of what's going on.
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Re: Housing Developments | Northern Suburbs

#790 Post by Norman » Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:31 am

State Government urged to kickstart regional development with Two Wells pilot project
Paul Starick, Sunday Mail (SA)
January 6, 2018 7:59pm

THE State Government is being urged to kickstart regional development by funding a pilot project at Two Wells predicted to create thousands of jobs and $800 million in economic activity.

Adelaide Plains Council and an Adelaide-based economist are urging the area become a model development for a Two Wells to Whyalla development strategy unveiled last October.

Regional Development Minister Geoff Brock said the 340km stretch would become South Australia’s first designated economic corridor and, as such, a focal point for increased investment and employment.

Hudson Howells economist Phill Hudson, who has prepared a report for Two Wells, 40km north of Adelaide, said the area could bring together government plans with proposed private sector investments.

These include a B12 Lutheran College, retirement village, horticultural research centre, farmers’ market and retirement village.

The third stage of a $1.2 billion residential project at Two Wells, being developed by Land Australia of the Hickinbotham Group of Companies, was released last month.

Mr Hudson said combining private sector investment with government support would accelerate the projects.

“At this stage the Government isn’t pledging anything but the private sector is looking at about $800 million worth of investment over 10 to 20 years in that region,” Mr Hudson said. “So, with government support, which could be in the form of infrastructure assistance or grants, that $800 million and the jobs associated with that could be brought forward by about five years.”

Adelaide Plains mayor Tony Flaherty said the area was capitalising on being 30 minutes from the city and becoming a destination for families, business and investment.

“Any pilot initiative to kickstart 2W2W must commence with the low-hanging fruit and that is Two Wells. As our CEO wrote to Minister Brock recently, 2W2W provides a unique two-way partnership opportunity. Let’s make it happen,” he said.

The council’s chief executive officer, James Miller, said the region could become the epicentre of Australia’s food bowl, in an export sense, backed by water harvested from Bolivar Waste Water Treatment Plant.

“Leveraging off the food bowl, facilitating residential growth, enabling retail, educational, commercial and recreational opportunities to unfold, that must be our collective focus,” he said.

A State Government spokesman said private sector investment was supported, and encouraged proponents to apply through a regional development fund.

“The State Government has invested heavily in the Northern Adelaide area through the Northern Adelaide Irrigation Scheme and the Northern Adelaide Food Park, and through infrastructure such as the Northern Expressway and Northern Connector projects — all of which are creating local jobs,” he said.

“We have also supported the expansion of a number of local businesses through the Future Jobs Fund, including Perfection Fresh, which has been awarded $2 million ... to construct a new $38.9 million, 8.2ha glasshouse and expand their operations at Two Wells, creating 200 jobs.”
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/business/ ... 53feed6fc4

So after the government moves that developers need to pay for greenfields infrastructure themselves, they come crying poor to the government asking for money to build, you guessed it, infrastructure. If the demand is there, the market should pay the infrastructure, this industry does not need more subsidies. Neither should we encourage even more sprawl and low density, high car use remote suburbs.

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Re: Housing Developments | Northern Suburbs

#791 Post by rev » Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:00 am

Norman wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:31 am
So after the government moves that developers need to pay for greenfields infrastructure themselves, they come crying poor to the government asking for money to build, you guessed it, infrastructure. If the demand is there, the market should pay the infrastructure, this industry does not need more subsidies. Neither should we encourage even more sprawl and low density, high car use remote suburbs.
Ridiculous.

Hate to break the bad news to you, so please be seated, but the area all the way up to Gawler and Two Wells, will be turned into suburbia in the near future.
Down south as well, the spread of suburbia will also continue.
And long may the growth of sprawl and new motorways being built continue, long into the future. :applause: :cheers:

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Re: Housing Developments | Northern Suburbs

#792 Post by Norman » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:54 am

It should remain as farmland. There is enough space in the existing metro area to build more infill. And, no, I'm not talking dog boxes, I'm talking quality medium density. With our low growth rate, this should be our main focus for development.

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#793 Post by Goodsy » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:17 am

Norman wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:54 am
It should remain as farmland. There is enough space in the existing metro area to build more infill. And, no, I'm not talking dog boxes, I'm talking quality medium density. With our low growth rate, this should be our main focus for development.
The farmland is south of Gawler River and North of the Northern Expressway, around Two Wells/Lewiston there really isn't that much. There's a few hobby olive groves scattered around and some greenhouses, but for the most aprt it's all just empty land that gets mowed once a year by the land owner. Any majors farms seemed to have packed up long ago

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#794 Post by ChillyPhilly » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:35 am

I'll double check later but more the point, isn't this latest area in question part of the Gawler River floodplain?
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Re: Housing Developments | Northern Suburbs

#795 Post by Goodsy » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:41 am

ChillyPhilly wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:35 am
I'll double check later but more the point, isn't this latest area in question part of the Gawler River floodplain?
Eden Two Wells is flood protected

The road and house plots are raised about 3m off the plain itself, so if you bought one of the huge lots your house will be on its own island

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