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Re: Prospect | Churchill | Main North Road - Development & News

#91 Post by how good is he » Wed May 23, 2018 9:44 am

Well what would else would you put on this busy main road intersection? Housing? For Kaufland, try finding another site of some 40,000 sqm of [cheap] land in or around Prospect which also is zoned retail/commercial.
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Re: Prospect | Churchill | Main North Road - Development & News

#92 Post by Fnomna » Wed May 23, 2018 10:59 am

It's right in the middle of Churchill Rd, which covers a wide demographic from near city Prospect/Fitzroy, out to Kilburn near Grand Junction Rd.
Might be a good spot, combined with the new housing, and next to the train line.

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Re: Prospect | Churchill | Main North Road - Development & News

#93 Post by rev » Wed May 23, 2018 3:29 pm

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Fri May 18, 2018 3:08 pm
To be honest I cant see how Arndale could have had the space for most of their retailers anyway. The footprint of things like Costco, Bunnings etc are like 40,000 sqm [half car park]. Plus the land price would have been higher at Arndale than the Islington railyards etc making feasibility another factor.
There's a tonne of space out the back there around First Ave/Gray st.
The car park could have been underground, extending the existing underground car park, and over the top there would then be room for those retailers.

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Re: Prospect | Churchill | Main North Road - Development & News

#94 Post by how good is he » Wed May 23, 2018 4:31 pm

To put it in perspective - Churchill Centre is a 24 ha precinct (240,000 sqm) vs Arndale has about 50,000 sqm gross lettable area at the moment. So approx 5 X the difference/size.

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Re: Prospect | Churchill | Main North Road - Development & News

#95 Post by claybro » Wed May 23, 2018 5:52 pm

Fnomna wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 10:59 am
It's right in the middle of Churchill Rd, which covers a wide demographic from near city Prospect/Fitzroy, out to Kilburn near Grand Junction Rd.
Might be a good spot, combined with the new housing, and next to the train line.
Wouldn't a better spot for Kaufland be on the Northwest corner of this site? ie Incorporate it into the train station, and build some other service shops in the complex, with a pedestrian link under Churchill road to Bunnings? Maybe some extra park and ride parking to attract extra commuter customers? It seems in SA there is a concerted effort not to incorporate shops into station precincts. We build houses and apartments right up to the stations instead. Think Mawson Lakes/ Oaklands-Westfield/ Woodlands-Castle Plaza etc. Always in SA, the stations sit in isolated glory amongst housing, where they are not visible, short of parking and unsafe, while the shops, interchanges and associated services like post offices, newsagents, coffee shops, supermarkets are away from the stations. This is not normal almost anywhere else in new developments interstate.

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Re: Prospect | Churchill | Main North Road - Development & News

#96 Post by ChillyPhilly » Wed May 23, 2018 5:55 pm

claybro wrote:
Fnomna wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 10:59 am
It's right in the middle of Churchill Rd, which covers a wide demographic from near city Prospect/Fitzroy, out to Kilburn near Grand Junction Rd.
Might be a good spot, combined with the new housing, and next to the train line.
Wouldn't a better spot for Kaufland be on the Northwest corner of this site? ie Incorporate it into the train station, and build some other service shops in the complex, with a pedestrian link under Churchill road to Bunnings? Maybe some extra park and ride parking to attract extra commuter customers? It seems in SA there is a concerted effort not to incorporate shops into station precincts. We build houses and apartments right up to the stations instead. Think Mawson Lakes/ Oaklands-Westfield/ Woodlands-Castle Plaza etc. Always in SA, the stations sit in isolated glory amongst housing, where they are not visible, short of parking and unsafe, while the shops, interchanges and associated services like post offices, newsagents, coffee shops, supermarkets are away from the stations. This is not normal almost anywhere else in new developments interstate.
This is what will happen if a warehouse gets built on that bit of land - Islington will be hidden from view.
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Re: Prospect | Churchill | Main North Road - Development & News

#97 Post by claybro » Wed May 23, 2018 5:59 pm

ChillyPhilly wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 5:55 pm
claybro wrote:
Fnomna wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 10:59 am
It's right in the middle of Churchill Rd, which covers a wide demographic from near city Prospect/Fitzroy, out to Kilburn near Grand Junction Rd.
Might be a good spot, combined with the new housing, and next to the train line.
Wouldn't a better spot for Kaufland be on the Northwest corner of this site? ie Incorporate it into the train station, and build some other service shops in the complex, with a pedestrian link under Churchill road to Bunnings? Maybe some extra park and ride parking to attract extra commuter customers? It seems in SA there is a concerted effort not to incorporate shops into station precincts. We build houses and apartments right up to the stations instead. Think Mawson Lakes/ Oaklands-Westfield/ Woodlands-Castle Plaza etc. Always in SA, the stations sit in isolated glory amongst housing, where they are not visible, short of parking and unsafe, while the shops, interchanges and associated services like post offices, newsagents, coffee shops, supermarkets are away from the stations. This is not normal almost anywhere else in new developments interstate.
This is what will happen if a warehouse gets built on that bit of land - Islington will be hidden from view.
Surely that depends on how the precinct is designed. There is not much imagination in SA for this stuff is there?!

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Re: Prospect | Churchill | Main North Road - Development & News

#98 Post by ChillyPhilly » Wed May 23, 2018 6:01 pm

claybro wrote:
ChillyPhilly wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 5:55 pm
claybro wrote: Wouldn't a better spot for Kaufland be on the Northwest corner of this site? ie Incorporate it into the train station, and build some other service shops in the complex, with a pedestrian link under Churchill road to Bunnings? Maybe some extra park and ride parking to attract extra commuter customers? It seems in SA there is a concerted effort not to incorporate shops into station precincts. We build houses and apartments right up to the stations instead. Think Mawson Lakes/ Oaklands-Westfield/ Woodlands-Castle Plaza etc. Always in SA, the stations sit in isolated glory amongst housing, where they are not visible, short of parking and unsafe, while the shops, interchanges and associated services like post offices, newsagents, coffee shops, supermarkets are away from the stations. This is not normal almost anywhere else in new developments interstate.
This is what will happen if a warehouse gets built on that bit of land - Islington will be hidden from view.
Surely that depends on how the precinct is designed. There is not much imagination in SA for this stuff is there?!
We can only hope for something refreshingly intelligent.
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#99 Post by Patrick_27 » Wed May 23, 2018 8:49 pm

The only other complex I could see suited to this site would be an IKEA, seeing as they are yet to expand out of their Airport site, this would provide a good second base for them.

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Re: Prospect | Churchill | Main North Road - Development & News

#100 Post by rev » Thu May 24, 2018 3:31 pm

claybro wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 5:59 pm
ChillyPhilly wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 5:55 pm
claybro wrote:
Wouldn't a better spot for Kaufland be on the Northwest corner of this site? ie Incorporate it into the train station, and build some other service shops in the complex, with a pedestrian link under Churchill road to Bunnings? Maybe some extra park and ride parking to attract extra commuter customers? It seems in SA there is a concerted effort not to incorporate shops into station precincts. We build houses and apartments right up to the stations instead. Think Mawson Lakes/ Oaklands-Westfield/ Woodlands-Castle Plaza etc. Always in SA, the stations sit in isolated glory amongst housing, where they are not visible, short of parking and unsafe, while the shops, interchanges and associated services like post offices, newsagents, coffee shops, supermarkets are away from the stations. This is not normal almost anywhere else in new developments interstate.
This is what will happen if a warehouse gets built on that bit of land - Islington will be hidden from view.
Surely that depends on how the precinct is designed. There is not much imagination in SA for this stuff is there?!
You get what you pay for. South Australia - The Tight Ass State.

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Re: Prospect | Churchill | Main North Road - Development & News

#101 Post by claybro » Thu May 24, 2018 4:22 pm

rev wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 3:31 pm
claybro wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 5:59 pm
ChillyPhilly wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 5:55 pm
This is what will happen if a warehouse gets built on that bit of land - Islington will be hidden from view.
Surely that depends on how the precinct is designed. There is not much imagination in SA for this stuff is there?!
You get what you pay for. South Australia - The Tight Ass State.
Agree in general Rev, but for this particular site, it is not even really about money-just poor planning. A private developer is building a huge shop complex, a private developer is building scores of nearby townhouses. What was to stop the government "inducing" the developers to get together and come up with a precinct plan, including a new integrated station. Just lazy stuff from local and state governments combined.

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Re: Prospect | Churchill | Main North Road - Development & News

#102 Post by Eurostar » Fri May 25, 2018 10:37 am

Patrick_27 wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 8:49 pm
The only other complex I could see suited to this site would be an IKEA, seeing as they are yet to expand out of their Airport site, this would provide a good second base for them.
If the tafe at modbury closes that site would be ideal location for IKEA.

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Re: Prospect | Churchill | Main North Road - Development & News

#103 Post by ChillyPhilly » Fri May 25, 2018 12:55 pm

I was thinking about this proposal. Why does it have to be right next to a train station? That site is too good to be wasted on another warehouse.
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#104 Post by how good is he » Fri May 25, 2018 5:30 pm

It also depends what the zoning for the corner site. The council and/or Govt may have zoned it so the owner/developer had no choice...

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Re: Prospect | Churchill | Main North Road - Development & News

#105 Post by Norman » Fri May 25, 2018 6:22 pm

how good is he wrote:It also depends what the zoning for the corner site. The council and/or Govt may have zoned it so the owner/developer had no choice...
This is true. I think the previous proposal had a supermarket component as well.

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