U/C: Electrification & Upgrade of the Adelaide Rail Network

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Re: U/C: Electrification & Upgrade of the Adelaide Rail Netw

#2716 Post by potsandpans » Fri May 19, 2017 3:06 pm

With the Tonsley rail extension, are they going to put a level crossing across Sturt Rd? Or will there be an overpass/underpass? Didn't the government say they were trying to get rid of level crossings?

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#2717 Post by PeFe » Fri May 19, 2017 3:31 pm

If the South Australian government doesn't grade separate Sturt and Daws Roads during the Tonsley extension ....then they are crazy.

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Re: U/C: Electrification & Upgrade of the Adelaide Rail Netw

#2718 Post by Norman » Fri May 19, 2017 3:45 pm

The train will travel over Sturt Road, but the Daws Road level crossing will stay. In saying that, I have never seen the Daws Road crossing bank up, mainly because there are so few trains going across it.

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#2719 Post by potsandpans » Fri May 19, 2017 3:56 pm

Great, thanks for that Norman!

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Re: U/C: Electrification & Upgrade of the Adelaide Rail Netw

#2720 Post by PeFe » Sat May 20, 2017 2:42 pm

Norman wrote:The train will travel over Sturt Road, but the Daws Road level crossing will stay. In saying that, I have never seen the Daws Road crossing bank up, mainly because there are so few trains going across it.
Yes but what happens when the Tonsley line becomes a full time service with trains every 15 minutes during the day?

We don't need another "Oaklands" mark 2 , due to any sort of long term planning (or short/medium term planning for that matter)

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Re: U/C: Electrification & Upgrade of the Adelaide Rail Netw

#2721 Post by Norman » Sat May 20, 2017 4:06 pm

PeFe wrote:
Norman wrote:The train will travel over Sturt Road, but the Daws Road level crossing will stay. In saying that, I have never seen the Daws Road crossing bank up, mainly because there are so few trains going across it.
Yes but what happens when the Tonsley line becomes a full time service with trains every 15 minutes during the day?

We don't need another "Oaklands" mark 2 , due to any sort of long term planning (or short/medium term planning for that matter)
- Daws Road carries about half the amount of traffic as the Oaklands Crossing, and does not have two complex intersections within 100m on each side.
- The Tonsley Line can't carry more then 4 trains per hour, while the Seaford Line at Oaklands carries 12 trains per hour.
- Oaklands also has a station right next to the crossing, which means boom gates are down even while the southbound train is stopped at Oaklands. That adds about an extra minute per train, so 4 extra in the morning and 8 in the afternoon.

Very different circumstances.

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Re: U/C: Electrification & Upgrade of the Adelaide Rail Netw

#2722 Post by adelaide transport » Sat May 20, 2017 5:14 pm

Sturt Road is bad during daylight weekday hours and with a 15 minute train service in each direction(one every 7 1/2 minutes) it will be far worse.In the mornings it is not uncommon for traffic heading east along Sturt Road to be banked up from Marion to South Road-similar in the afternoons!
Add to this you have both the Sturt Police Station and Ambulance Depot alongside.
Buses struggle now to keep to their schedules between Flinders Uni/Flinders Medical Centre and Marion Centre-this will become a nightmare if the traffic has to stop to allow trains through this busy road,and Ambulances using this area in emergencies which happens frequently will be subject to massive delays.

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Re: U/C: Electrification & Upgrade of the Adelaide Rail Netw

#2723 Post by Mr Messy » Sat May 20, 2017 5:21 pm

adelaide transport wrote:Sturt Road is bad during daylight weekday hours and with a 15 minute train service in each direction(one every 7 1/2 minutes) it will be far worse.In the mornings it is not uncommon for traffic heading east along Sturt Road to be banked up from Marion to South Road-similar in the afternoons!
Add to this you have both the Sturt Police Station and Ambulance Depot alongside.
Buses struggle now to keep to their schedules between Flinders Uni/Flinders Medical Centre and Marion Centre-this will become a nightmare if the traffic has to stop to allow trains through this busy road,and Ambulances using this area in emergencies which happens frequently will be subject to massive delays.
Sturt road will be grade separated.

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Re: U/C: Electrification & Upgrade of the Adelaide Rail Netw

#2724 Post by Westside » Mon May 22, 2017 12:23 pm

http://www.infrastructure.sa.gov.au/__d ... esign2.pdf

Not the best map, but in summary, no new level crossings will be created, but no existing level crossings will be removed.

*Edit: Greater detail is provided here: http://www.infrastructure.sa.gov.au/nsc ... de_project

Scroll down halfway to get:
The project will include:

A 650 metre extension of the Tonsley rail line linking the Flinders Medical Centre and Flinders University to the rail network, including 520 metres of elevated single track over Sturt Road, Laffer’s Triangle and Main South Road
A new station next to the Flinders Medical Centre
An integrated shared pedestrian/cycle path adjacent the rail line
Station review.

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Re: U/C: Electrification & Upgrade of the Adelaide Rail Netw

#2725 Post by Splashmo » Mon May 22, 2017 2:14 pm

Hope the shared bike/footpath is engineered a bit more thoughtfully than the South Road tram overpass...

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Re: U/C: Electrification & Upgrade of the Adelaide Rail Netw

#2726 Post by SouthAussie94 » Mon May 22, 2017 3:06 pm

Splashmo wrote:Hope the shared bike/footpath is engineered a bit more thoughtfully than the South Road tram overpass...
Hopefully it will be built so that the line can eventually be duplicated
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Re: U/C: Electrification & Upgrade of the Adelaide Rail Netw

#2727 Post by fishinajar » Mon May 22, 2017 3:10 pm

SouthAussie94 wrote:
Splashmo wrote:Hope the shared bike/footpath is engineered a bit more thoughtfully than the South Road tram overpass...
Hopefully it will be built so that the line can eventually be duplicated
No need to unless the line was extended.

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Re: U/C: Electrification & Upgrade of the Adelaide Rail Netw

#2728 Post by notmichaeljfox » Mon May 22, 2017 11:37 pm

potsandpans wrote:With the Tonsley rail extension, are they going to put a level crossing across Sturt Rd? Or will there be an overpass/underpass? Didn't the government say they were trying to get rid of level crossings?
They're building an overpass. http://www.premier.sa.gov.au/stephen-mu ... -extension

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Re: U/C: Electrification & Upgrade of the Adelaide Rail Netw

#2729 Post by potsandpans » Thu May 25, 2017 8:30 pm

Thanks for the responses, I'm glad they are building the overpass for the Tonsley extension. Does anyone know with the Oaklands Railway Crossing upgrade, if they are just building an overpass for the train line? Or will they build and underpass for Diagonal Rd as well? I honestly don't think building a train overpass will fix the traffic problem. I live near by, and know how bad the traffic can get.

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Re: U/C: Electrification & Upgrade of the Adelaide Rail Netw

#2730 Post by Norman » Thu May 25, 2017 9:09 pm

potsandpans wrote:Thanks for the responses, I'm glad they are building the overpass for the Tonsley extension. Does anyone know with the Oaklands Railway Crossing upgrade, if they are just building an overpass for the train line? Or will they build and underpass for Diagonal Rd as well? I honestly don't think building a train overpass will fix the traffic problem. I live near by, and know how bad the traffic can get.
You can follow the discussion of the Oaklands Crossing here:
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3471

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