News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

[Norman]

Excuse my ignorance, but what is the nearest station to the Flinders Uni and other developments on the old Mitsubishi site?

There appear a lot of opportunity to expand on that site so in time a railway station would be pretty handy I would have thought?

Clovelly Park station is only about 300m away from the precinct

[I Follow PAFC]

https://www.infrastructure.sa.gov.au/ma ... nk_project

[Mr Smith]

Cheers Norman.

[Norman]

Some further clarification from the DPTI site:

When will the new station be ready?
The new station is expected to be operational by mid-2019.

Will there be free travel?
Free travel will be provided between the Flinders Station and Tonsley Station, similar to free tram travel in the Adelaide CBD. Further details will be provided ahead of the commencement of rail services in 2019.

Is it true that Clovelly Park Station is being re-named?
There is a proposal to rename Clovelly Park Station to Tonsley Station, along with renaming the Tonsley Line to the Flinders Line (to be consistent with other rail line names).

What will happen to the existing Tonsley Station?
The Tonsley Station can't remain in its current location because of the elevation needed for the train bridge to clear Sturt Road and Main South Road. The existing Tonsley Station will be demolished with a new station to be built within approximately 600m of the current site linking the Flinders Medical Centre and Flinders University precincts.

Review of the Tonsley Rail Line
DPTI has commenced a review of the Tonsley Rail Line to complement the $85 million Flinders Link Project.

The review will consider improvements to railway station locations, local accessibility, the Tonsley Greenway and integration with the Tonsley Precinct.
Improvements will be considered in consultation with public transport users, local residents, local business, local councils, Renewal SA, and Tonsley Precinct stakeholders (including Flinders University, TafeSA and others).

What will service frequencies be post Flinders Link?
Upon completion of the Tonsley line extension, there will be:
-An introduction of a 20 minute frequency on the Tonsley line during peak periods.
-A 30 minute frequency at all other times, including weekends and public holidays

Good to see weekend services finally! I hope they also include night services. If only they were as transparent about the new tram line...

[PeFe]

I would have liked to see 15 minutes during the day and an attempt to reroute some southern suburbs buses to an interchangeable at Tonsley ( then the buses could continue to Marion)

[adelaide transport]

The original plan saw the Tonsley Station on the South side of Sturt Road(elevated) with escalators and elevators and a major bus Interchange which would have drastically reduced Bus services to and from FMC and Flinders University.
The only change I can see now would be the reduction of G40 services to and from the City.

[ml69]

I would have liked to see 15 minutes during the day and an attempt to reroute some southern suburbs buses to an interchangeable at Tonsley ( then the buses could continue to Marion)

Agree. Is a bus/train interchange not possible with the proposed plan? Buses from Woodcroft, Aberfoyle Park, Happy Valley, Flagstaff Hill etc should interchange at Flinders station and then ideally terminate at Marion, not continue into the city. A 15 min daytime peak schedule would probably be required to make this work better.

Also close a few of the crappy stations on the way into the CBD but build a decent new station at Castle Plaza as a "park and ride" station.

[PeFe]

No "park and ride" facilities within 10 kms of the Adelaide CBD..........you are probably close enough to a bus or train and can walk the distance.
Park and ride should only be for people who live 20kms out......
If you believe in park and ride then turn all the parklands into gigantic carparks so people who live 5 kms out dont have to catch the bus home.....

[mawsonguy]

Surely the point of park and ride is so that those who live a long way out of the CBD (e.g. 20km) can drive to a location (e.g. 10km) where they can catch a high speed, high frequency public transport system. It's faster for the commuter and reduces congestion on the inner city roads. That's what happens at the Mawson Lakes interchange (15km from the city), the Klemzig interchange (8km from the city) and the Paradise interchange (11km from the city). So having an interchange near the FMC (12km from the city) thereby reducing congestion on South Rd & Goodwood Rd makes sense. However, there is not much room for additional parking capacity at the FMC. It would be better to place it on the vacant land behind the old Mitsubishi site with an entrance off Tonsley Blvd.

[monotonehell]

Yes, the presence of a park and ride facility means your PT solution has failed somehow. The only places they should exist are where PT penetration is difficult due to things like bad street layouts, difficult terrain, long distance and very low patronage due to a large sparsely populated area.

[rubberman]

Yes, the presence of a park and ride facility means your PT solution has failed somehow. The only places they should exist are where PT penetration is difficult due to things like bad street layouts, difficult terrain, long distance and very low patronage due to a large sparsely populated area.

There's also a good argument for PnR near congestion points such as entering a CBD for example. This argument says that rather than having big car parks within a CBD, the parks should be on the fringes, and with fast trams/metro/buses from that PnR into the CBD. That would leave more space within the CBD for either productive economic activity or city dwellings which by themselves reduce the traffic load.

This is what the parking at The Entertainment Centre does to a small degree, and in concept would do if there were a huge, bigly PnR at the Scotties corner and a tram/metro (Dream on) to the CBD. Similar perhaps on Anzc/South Road area. A four minute express ride on a metro, and who knows how long on trams/buses.

[monotonehell]

Yes, the presence of a park and ride facility means your PT solution has failed somehow. The only places they should exist are where PT penetration is difficult due to things like bad street layouts, difficult terrain, long distance and very low patronage due to a large sparsely populated area.

There's also a good argument for PnR near congestion points such as entering a CBD for example. This argument says that rather than having big car parks within a CBD, the parks should be on the fringes, and with fast trams/metro/buses from that PnR into the CBD. That would leave more space within the CBD for either productive economic activity or city dwellings which by themselves reduce the traffic load.

This is what the parking at The Entertainment Centre does to a small degree, and in concept would do if there were a huge, bigly PnR at the Scotties corner and a tram/metro (Dream on) to the CBD. Similar perhaps on Anzc/South Road area. A four minute express ride on a metro, and who knows how long on trams/buses.

Not really a good argument. It just moves the congestion to a choke point outside the cbd, doesn't really help inner suburban congestion and it's not a sustainable solution.

[Llessur2002]

Little bit of progress on the new Croydon station.

[Nort]

Yes, the presence of a park and ride facility means your PT solution has failed somehow. The only places they should exist are where PT penetration is difficult due to things like bad street layouts, difficult terrain, long distance and very low patronage due to a large sparsely populated area.

I think park and ride facilities have their place. Someone may drive to a train station and then catch it into the CBD, whereas walking to a bus and taking that to the train station could add enough time onto their journey that they decide it's better to just drive into the CBD. It can also be used as part of growing a network. For example the tram extension down to the Entertainment Center almost certainly got improved patronage from the Park and Ride facilities there. The success of that extension means that further development of the PT network is easily justified which down the line can reduce the need to use private transport.

[rubberman]

Yes, the presence of a park and ride facility means your PT solution has failed somehow. The only places they should exist are where PT penetration is difficult due to things like bad street layouts, difficult terrain, long distance and very low patronage due to a large sparsely populated area.

There's also a good argument for PnR near congestion points such as entering a CBD for example. This argument says that rather than having big car parks within a CBD, the parks should be on the fringes, and with fast trams/metro/buses from that PnR into the CBD. That would leave more space within the CBD for either productive economic activity or city dwellings which by themselves reduce the traffic load.

This is what the parking at The Entertainment Centre does to a small degree, and in concept would do if there were a huge, bigly PnR at the Scotties corner and a tram/metro (Dream on) to the CBD. Similar perhaps on Anzc/South Road area. A four minute express ride on a metro, and who knows how long on trams/buses.

Not really a good argument. It just moves the congestion to a choke point outside the cbd, doesn't really help inner suburban congestion and it's not a sustainable solution.

Sigh. I was giving examples. Obviously, the location of such facilities would be such as to avoid the issues of inner urban congestion.

As for "sustainable" in this context, what exactly do you mean? If it can take enough cars off the road, it's sustainable. So, obviously you mean something else. Fair enough, but care to share?