News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#3841 Post by Eurostar » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:00 am

ml69 wrote:
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The renaming is logical and wise.

Would like to see this carried out elsewhere throughout the network where applicable, e.g. changing Dudley Park to Prospect.
While we’re on this, why couldn’t Kilburn be relocated out of the backstreets, and shifted 500m south adjacent to the Churchill Centre shopping centre and Costco? Create a decent pedestrian link to the new station and I bet patronage would be double or triple what Kilburn currently is.

Call it Churchill station.
Its a pity that part of the Islington Works land was turned into a shopping centre, it would of been good site for a big park and community pool.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#3842 Post by Norman » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:52 am


Eurostar wrote:
ml69 wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:53 pm
ChillyPhilly wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:47 pm
The renaming is logical and wise.

Would like to see this carried out elsewhere throughout the network where applicable, e.g. changing Dudley Park to Prospect.
While we’re on this, why couldn’t Kilburn be relocated out of the backstreets, and shifted 500m south adjacent to the Churchill Centre shopping centre and Costco? Create a decent pedestrian link to the new station and I bet patronage would be double or triple what Kilburn currently is.

Call it Churchill station.
Its a pity that part of the Islington Works land was turned into a shopping centre, it would of been good site for a big park and community pool.
I imagine site contamination would have been a big issue on this site. Remediation as well as construction would be well outside the council's financial capacity.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#3843 Post by Aidan » Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:40 pm

ml69 wrote: While we’re on this, why couldn’t Kilburn be relocated out of the backstreets, and shifted 500m south adjacent to the Churchill Centre shopping centre and Costco?
Why should residents lose their local station (and have many thousands of dollars wiped off the value of their houses) to benefit some commercial businesses who initially ignored the station?

The real problem with Kilburn station is the lack of a western exit.
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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#3844 Post by rubberman » Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:00 am

Aidan wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:40 pm
ml69 wrote: While we’re on this, why couldn’t Kilburn be relocated out of the backstreets, and shifted 500m south adjacent to the Churchill Centre shopping centre and Costco?
Why should residents lose their local station (and have many thousands of dollars wiped off the value of their houses) to benefit some commercial businesses who initially ignored the station?

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Why? Well, I guess it would depend on numbers of passengers. If the numbers using Kilburn as it is are great enough to justify the stop, your point is fair. However, if the numbers are small, then they risk losing their stop anyway. The idea of heavy rail is higher speeds with greater numbers of people and fewer stops enabling many people from greater distances to commute in reasonable time.

Is it fair that people who could take a bus from Churchill Road should delay people travelling from Gawler etc? The only fair answer is if there's enough of them to justify it. The idea of shifting the station nearer a shopping centre is to increase passenger numbers to the point where a stop makes sense.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#3845 Post by ml69 » Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:53 am

Aidan wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:40 pm
ml69 wrote: While we’re on this, why couldn’t Kilburn be relocated out of the backstreets, and shifted 500m south adjacent to the Churchill Centre shopping centre and Costco?
Why should residents lose their local station (and have many thousands of dollars wiped off the value of their houses) to benefit some commercial businesses who initially ignored the station?
A new park n ride station at Churchill Centre will change commuter behaviour and increase transit usage in the adjacent suburbs after Gawler electrification, keeping Kilburn as it is will barely make any difference.

There is far greater capacity for a park n ride and kiss n ride drop-off in the Churchill Centre location, which could service the suburbs of Kilburn and Blair Athol. The new station should be deemed a “high frequency” station to really maximise the potential of the upgraded station.

Also likely to increase the trade of the shopping centre as people buy stuff on the way home.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#3846 Post by SBD » Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:37 pm

ml69 wrote:
Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:53 am
Aidan wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:40 pm
ml69 wrote: While we’re on this, why couldn’t Kilburn be relocated out of the backstreets, and shifted 500m south adjacent to the Churchill Centre shopping centre and Costco?
Why should residents lose their local station (and have many thousands of dollars wiped off the value of their houses) to benefit some commercial businesses who initially ignored the station?
A new park n ride station at Churchill Centre will change commuter behaviour and increase transit usage in the adjacent suburbs after Gawler electrification, keeping Kilburn as it is will barely make any difference.

There is far greater capacity for a park n ride and kiss n ride drop-off in the Churchill Centre location, which could service the suburbs of Kilburn and Blair Athol. The new station should be deemed a “high frequency” station to really maximise the potential of the upgraded station.

Also likely to increase the trade of the shopping centre as people buy stuff on the way home.
Do we have passenger numbers for objective decision making? How many people per week walk to the current station, thus not requiring a car at all, compared to needing to drive to a park'n'ride at a "better" location that would have very few pedestrian-and-PT only passengers? I'm also not convinced that public transport must be solely geared towards office commuters in the big smoke. If it works for little old ladies to do their shopping and they have never driven, that should be valid too.

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