News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#3991 Post by muzzamo » Thu May 23, 2019 4:14 pm

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They should do it while grade separating Brighton Road, rebuild Brighton and Hove Stations and remove Warradale.
Federal government is putting $85.5 million towards the Brighton Road (Hove) level crossing upgrade.

It's hard to believe that they wouldn't include a station as well.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#3992 Post by Eurostar » Thu May 23, 2019 6:05 pm

With talk of grade seperation at Westbourne Park, should Hawthorn be reopened in exchange for closing Unley Park?

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#3993 Post by Mr Messy » Thu May 23, 2019 6:59 pm

Eurostar wrote:With talk of grade seperation at Westbourne Park, should Hawthorn be reopened in exchange for closing Unley Park?
No, because Unley Park interchanges with a handful of buses

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#3994 Post by Nathan » Thu May 23, 2019 9:28 pm

For those wondering about the new activated crossings on the Outer Harbour line (and I presume it also applies to the two Gawler line ones at North Adelaide Station and half way along War Memorial Dr near Torrens Junction) — they've now blown out to October, over a year and a half behind schedule.
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Railway pedestrian crossing upgrades in the west that are more than a year behind schedule have again been delayed, forcing walkers out on the road to traverse the train line.

Crossings at West and Coglin streets, Brompton, and Queen St, Croydon were meant to reopen early last year with automated gates, but the project was delayed to April this year.

But, due to “signalling issues”, the completion date has again been blown out – this time to October.

In the meantime, the crossing has been boarded up with temporary fencing as the newly installed gates sit unused.

It meant pedestrians were instead walking out on the road in order to traverse the rail line. The works were part of the Torrens to Torrens project, which involved an upgrade of Bowden Railway Station.

Those changes have resulted in a reduction of the line of sight for oncoming trains at the three intersections – meaning automated gates had to be installed to comply with Australian standards.

A Transport Department spokesman did not answer questions about why the opening of the crossings had been continually delayed or why signalling on the pedestrian crossing was different to that of boomgates on the road. He said pedestrians should use crossings on the other side of the street where gates were not needed.

Opposition Leader and Croydon MP Peter Malinauskas said there was “genuine frustration” among locals about the long-term delays at the crossings.

“It’s certainly unsightly and we’ve got a situation where a project that was meant to deliver more safety, years later is looking like we’re in a situation where it’s less safe,” Mr Malinauskas said.

“I’ve been seeking some clarification for months and it finally culminated in a January meeting with the minister where he assured me verbally, and in writing, that the pedestrian gate would be completed in April this year.”

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#3995 Post by Ser Noit of Loit » Fri May 24, 2019 12:30 am

Eurostar wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 6:05 pm
With talk of grade seperation at Westbourne Park, should Hawthorn be reopened in exchange for closing Unley Park?
It'd be a good opportunity to move Unley Park station north of crossroad, where the larger population lives (in comparison to Hawthorn which it's in). It would also then be in the suburb it's named after.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#3996 Post by Raider » Fri May 24, 2019 3:17 pm

Ser Noit of Loit wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 12:30 am
Eurostar wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 6:05 pm
With talk of grade seperation at Westbourne Park, should Hawthorn be reopened in exchange for closing Unley Park?
It'd be a good opportunity to move Unley Park station north of crossroad, where the larger population lives (in comparison to Hawthorn which it's in). It would also then be in the suburb it's named after.
It could also be placed under Cross Road, therefore connecting to suburbs & buses both sides of the road.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#3997 Post by claybro » Fri May 24, 2019 3:39 pm

Raider wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 3:17 pm
[quote="Ser Noit of Loit" post_id=180666 time=<a href="tel:1558623653">1558623653</a> user_id=7571]
[quote=Eurostar post_id=180661 time=<a href="tel:1558600515">1558600515</a> user_id=4386]
With talk of grade seperation at Westbourne Park, should Hawthorn be reopened in exchange for closing Unley Park?
It'd be a good opportunity to move Unley Park station north of crossroad, where the larger population lives (in comparison to Hawthorn which it's in). It would also then be in the suburb it's named after.
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Good solution.

It could also be placed under Cross Road, therefore connecting to suburbs & buses both sides of the road.
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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#3998 Post by Eurostar » Fri May 24, 2019 6:44 pm

claybro wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 3:39 pm
Raider wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 3:17 pm
[quote="Ser Noit of Loit" post_id=180666 time=<a href="tel:1558623653">1558623653</a> user_id=7571]
[quote=Eurostar post_id=180661 time=<a href="tel:1558600515">1558600515</a> user_id=4386]
With talk of grade seperation at Westbourne Park, should Hawthorn be reopened in exchange for closing Unley Park?
It'd be a good opportunity to move Unley Park station north of crossroad, where the larger population lives (in comparison to Hawthorn which it's in). It would also then be in the suburb it's named after.
Good solution.

It could also be placed under Cross Road, therefore connecting to suburbs & buses both sides of the road.
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I suggested reopening Hawthorn because it will allow an easier dive into trench or overpass. many commuters would love to see both Hilda Terrace and Cross Road level crossing eliminated.
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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#3999 Post by ghs » Fri May 24, 2019 7:09 pm

It'd be a good opportunity to move Unley Park station north of crossroad, where the larger population lives (in comparison to Hawthorn which it's in). It would also then be in the suburb it's named after.
How often do you think people living on the likes of Victoria avenue catch the train ????

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#4000 Post by Spotto » Fri May 24, 2019 7:56 pm

muzzamo wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 4:14 pm
Federal government is putting $85.5 million towards the Brighton Road (Hove) level crossing upgrade.

It's hard to believe that they wouldn't include a station as well.
If they are, can they please just copy-paste the station design for Oaklands?

1. Consistent design across stations.
2. No doubt it would be cheaper to repurpose an existing design template than employing a team of architects to create a completely new design from scratch.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#4001 Post by Spotto » Fri May 24, 2019 8:04 pm

Raider wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 3:17 pm
Ser Noit of Loit wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 12:30 am
Eurostar wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 6:05 pm
With talk of grade seperation at Westbourne Park, should Hawthorn be reopened in exchange for closing Unley Park?
It'd be a good opportunity to move Unley Park station north of crossroad, where the larger population lives (in comparison to Hawthorn which it's in). It would also then be in the suburb it's named after.
It could also be placed under Cross Road, therefore connecting to suburbs & buses both sides of the road.
I think regardless of whatever solution is floated, I legitimately think nothing will be done until Cross Road is upgraded to motorway standard (in whatever form that happens). Then they can kill two birds with one stone: an East-West Motorway connecting the North-South Motorway to the SEF, and an additional grade separated station that interfaces with local buses.

Design should also be future-proofed to allow easy expansion of the rail corridor if duplication ever occurs.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#4002 Post by claybro » Sat May 25, 2019 12:04 am

Spotto wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 7:56 pm
muzzamo wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 4:14 pm
Federal government is putting $85.5 million towards the Brighton Road (Hove) level crossing upgrade.

It's hard to believe that they wouldn't include a station as well.
If they are, can they please just copy-paste the station design for Oaklands?

1. Consistent design across stations.
2. No doubt it would be cheaper to repurpose an existing design template than employing a team of architects to create a completely new design from scratch.
It depends entirely on the plans for Cross Road. There has existed for some time the concept of a non stop motorway link for Cross Road, but In true South Aussie fashion, I can see them redeveloping the station with grade separation, only to rip it all apart again when Cross Road becomes a major East/West link. Either way, there will be significant property to be reclaimed in the vacinity of the level crossing, a much tighter area than Oaklands.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#4003 Post by Spotto » Sat May 25, 2019 12:40 am

claybro wrote:
Sat May 25, 2019 12:04 am
Spotto wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 7:56 pm
muzzamo wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 4:14 pm
Federal government is putting $85.5 million towards the Brighton Road (Hove) level crossing upgrade.

It's hard to believe that they wouldn't include a station as well.
If they are, can they please just copy-paste the station design for Oaklands?

1. Consistent design across stations.
2. No doubt it would be cheaper to repurpose an existing design template than employing a team of architects to create a completely new design from scratch.
It depends entirely on the plans for Cross Road. There has existed for some time the concept of a non stop motorway link for Cross Road, but In true South Aussie fashion, I can see them redeveloping the station with grade separation, only to rip it all apart again when Cross Road becomes a major East/West link. Either way, there will be significant property to be reclaimed in the vacinity of the level crossing, a much tighter area than Oaklands.
My comments on copying the Oaklands station design was for Hove Crossing, not for Unley Park on the Belair Line which is a very different situation.

Though replicating elements from Oaklands station on future Belair Line stations might not be a bad thing.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#4004 Post by Ser Noit of Loit » Sat May 25, 2019 3:58 pm

Eurostar wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 6:44 pm
claybro wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 3:39 pm
Raider wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 3:17 pm
[quote="Ser Noit of Loit" post_id=180666 time=<a href="tel:1558623653">1558623653</a> user_id=7571]
[quote=Eurostar post_id=180661 time=<a href="tel:1558600515">1558600515</a> user_id=4386]
With talk of grade seperation at Westbourne Park, should Hawthorn be reopened in exchange for closing Unley Park?
It'd be a good opportunity to move Unley Park station north of crossroad, where the larger population lives (in comparison to Hawthorn which it's in). It would also then be in the suburb it's named after.
Good solution.

It could also be placed under Cross Road, therefore connecting to suburbs & buses both sides of the road.
[/quote]

I suggested reopening Hawthorn because it will allow an easier dive into trench or overpass. many commuters would love to see both Hilda Terrace and Cross Road level crossing eliminated.
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There's no reason for Hawthorn station to be reopened unless Unley Park shuts down for some reason. It's too close to UP and Mitcham stations and almost surely due to redudancy, shut down in 1995. A station right on Cross Road is also of more use than a suburban back street.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#4005 Post by claybro » Sat May 25, 2019 6:57 pm

Agree. Stations need to be visible, accessible, and safe, with good connections to other services. These small stations in back streets are none of these.

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