News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#4576 Post by ginzahikari » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:45 pm

Adelaide Metro New Wayfinding and Signage Standard for Public Transport

View the designs at Goodwood Railway Station and Goodwood Rd Tram Stop or view them online and complete the survey:
https://adelaidemetro.typeform.com/to/b5Y0aXvq

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Personally I think that this is a big improvement from what we've got now, but they could've differentiated the different modes with different colours like what they're attempting to do now and hopefully it can work out as effectively as what they've done in Sydney and Melbourne.



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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#4577 Post by Nathan » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:29 pm

ginzahikari wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:45 pm
Adelaide Metro New Wayfinding and Signage Standard for Public Transport

View the designs at Goodwood Railway Station and Goodwood Rd Tram Stop or view them online and complete the survey:
adelaidemetro.typeform.com/to/b5Y0aXvq

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Personally I think that this is a big improvement from what we've got now, but they could've differentiated the different modes with different colours like what they're attempting to do now and hopefully it can work out as effectively as what they've done in Sydney and Melbourne.
It's an improvement (but anything would be an improvement over what we currently have).

There's no need to differentiate modes with colours — in most cases they're used in isolation and they wouldn't add any additional clarity. I find the focus on yellow/black strange though considering the vehicle livery is very much red/blue. The way finding and the vehicles feel like two completely different organisations.

Colour coding can be put to better use as accent colours for routes (esp. on tram and train lines), but also to code specific types of directional information — say yellow for items directly related to catching the service (platform names, stop signs, etc.), but then another company for exits or to point to local destinations (so there's a clear distinction between merely useful information, and important information for using the service).

There's some issues with the consistency of icons, and it all feels like a bit of a grab bag of systems from other cities, but then it's obviously still early days of development.
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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#4578 Post by Spotto » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:22 pm

The regional coach logo looks promising. Integrating passenger information for the coaches run by LinkSA/Stateliner/etc into the wider AdMet network and website just makes sense. If I understand it correctly, operation-wise they're losely similar to the city buses; the government releases a contract for a specified area and assigns routes, the operator manages the drivers and the fleet.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#4579 Post by Norman » Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:12 pm

It looks promising, but I've seen this type of survey before for the information screens at Adelaide Railway Station about 4, 5 years ago. Nothing came of that. Hopefully this time there will actually be some sort of implementation.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#4580 Post by TorrensSA » Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:20 pm

Something I think should be done once the Flinders Line opens, create two lines. Flinders Line would be all stops from Adelaide Railway Station and Seaford would be Adelaide Showground (make this the interchange for the Belair line), Woodlands Park and the Seaford line would start here. Flinders Line would have a 15min to 30min frequency (15 in peak, 20 during the weekday and 30min at other times). Removing 5 stations from the Seaford line would save 5 mins on an all stops train. The Tonsley line would need a new colour scheme, maybe lavender (no lines are using purple atm).

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#4581 Post by mawsonguy » Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:23 pm

Anybody want to buy a railway station?

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#4582 Post by PeFe » Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:42 pm

Ok here is a chance for Adelaide to do something right regarding development and transport.

What this site needs is something substantial...almost iconic...a chance to connect a higher frequency train station to its surrounds. A plaza with shops/cafes/restaurants in front of some well designed good looking 6-10 story apartment buildings...

Look out from your balcony and see the railway station and be ok with that.....good transport doesn't have to be hidden in the backstreets like in the rest of Adelaide.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#4583 Post by SRW » Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:12 pm

Oddly, land use doesn't appear to be a stipulation for the sale? Is the City of Salisbury's 'urban core' zoning enough to prevent this from becoming low-rise industrial/commercial or some such?
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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#4584 Post by TorrensSA » Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:18 pm

The Mawson Lakes station carpark land would look good with some 6ish story apartment buildings overlooking a green square (theres some examples at Bowden). But whats going too happen to the carpark? Thats a lot of cars https://www.google.com/maps/@-34.805166 ... 312!8i6656

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#4585 Post by Norman » Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:12 pm

TorrensSA wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:18 pm
The Mawson Lakes station carpark land would look good with some 6ish story apartment buildings overlooking a green square (theres some examples at Bowden). But whats going too happen to the carpark? Thats a lot of cars https://www.google.com/maps/@-34.805166 ... 312!8i6656
The car parks will need to be retained according to the ad. Hopefully that means a multi-storey car park will be considered in place of the current waste of space.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#4586 Post by Modbury_Man » Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:34 pm

Spotto wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:22 pm
The regional coach logo looks promising. Integrating passenger information for the coaches run by LinkSA/Stateliner/etc into the wider AdMet network and website just makes sense. If I understand it correctly, operation-wise they're losely similar to the city buses; the government releases a contract for a specified area and assigns routes, the operator manages the drivers and the fleet.
Agree there's alot of potential for these regional services to become better integrated. I presume this sign would be used where AdMet and LinkSA services meet e.g. Tea Tree Plaza, Gawler, Marion, Seaford and Mt Barker. There is no mention of these services on the AdMet website nor does LinkSA have a real time feed for apps.

Interestingly I think the only subsidy LinkSA gets for most of their normal public route services is the 50% concession fare top up. They have to make the rest of their income from the fare box...hence the steep full fare prices. Only exception to this is the TTP-Mt Pleasant service and the Mt Barker/Strath/Meadows services which I believe are Government funded exactly like AdMet services.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#4587 Post by 1NEEDS2POST » Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:50 pm

TorrensSA wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:20 pm
Something I think should be done once the Flinders Line opens, create two lines. Flinders Line would be all stops from Adelaide Railway Station and Seaford would be Adelaide Showground (make this the interchange for the Belair line), Woodlands Park and the Seaford line would start here. Flinders Line would have a 15min to 30min frequency (15 in peak, 20 during the weekday and 30min at other times). Removing 5 stations from the Seaford line would save 5 mins on an all stops train. The Tonsley line would need a new colour scheme, maybe lavender (no lines are using purple atm).
Alternatively, move Ascot Park 50m north and then add a platform on for the Flinders Line. Seaford Line could also skip Woodlands Park and the interchange between Seaford and Flinders Lines would be at Ascot Park.

Also, there looks like enough room to put in triple or quadruple track from South Rd to Ascot Park, which might help with scheduling problems caused by having one line express and the other not.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#4588 Post by PeFe » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:05 pm

1NEEDS2POST wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:50 pm
Also, there looks like enough room to put in triple or quadruple track from South Rd to Ascot Park, which might help with scheduling problems caused by having one line express and the other not.
No need to quadruple the track......just be smart about the timetable.

The Flinders all stops train takes 15 minutes to travel from ARS to Woodland Park, the express Seaford train (with one stop at Adelaide Showground) takes 11 minutes to travel to Woodland Park. (Source for times....the Adelaide Metro train timetable)

The Flinders train would leave 5 minutes after the Seaford train giving ample space between the two trains that are on a 15 minute daytime frequency.
  • For example Seaford train...departs ARS 1200 arrives Woodland Park 1211
    1215 arrives Woodland Park 1226
    1230 arrives Woodland Park 1241
    1245 arrives Woodland Park 1256
  • Flinders train (all stops) departs ARS 1205 arrives Woodland Park 1220
    1220 arrives Woodland Park 1235
    1235 arrives Woodland Park 1250
And do the same thing on the city bound trip, the Flinders train arrives at Woodland Park 5 minutes after the Seaford express

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#4589 Post by AndyWelsh » Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:09 pm

PeFe wrote:
1NEEDS2POST wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:50 pm
Also, there looks like enough room to put in triple or quadruple track from South Rd to Ascot Park, which might help with scheduling problems caused by having one line express and the other not.
No need to quadruple the track......just be smart about the timetable.

The Flinders all stops train takes 15 minutes to travel from ARS to Woodland Park, the express Seaford train (with one stop at Adelaide Showground) takes 11 minutes to travel to Woodland Park. (Source for times....the Adelaide Metro train timetable)

The Flinders train would leave 5 minutes after the Seaford train giving ample space between the two trains that are on a 15 minute daytime frequency.
  • For example Seaford train...departs ARS 1200 arrives Woodland Park 1211
    1215 arrives Woodland Park 1226
    1230 arrives Woodland Park 1241
    1245 arrives Woodland Park 1256
  • Flinders train (all stops) departs ARS 1205 arrives Woodland Park 1220
    1220 arrives Woodland Park 1235
    1235 arrives Woodland Park 1250
And do the same thing on the city bound trip, the Flinders train arrives at Woodland Park 5 minutes after the Seaford express
This would be amazing and seems such a sensible idea.


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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

#4590 Post by 1NEEDS2POST » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:12 pm

PeFe wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:05 pm
1NEEDS2POST wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:50 pm
Also, there looks like enough room to put in triple or quadruple track from South Rd to Ascot Park, which might help with scheduling problems caused by having one line express and the other not.
No need to quadruple the track......just be smart about the timetable.

The Flinders all stops train takes 15 minutes to travel from ARS to Woodland Park, the express Seaford train (with one stop at Adelaide Showground) takes 11 minutes to travel to Woodland Park. (Source for times....the Adelaide Metro train timetable)

The Flinders train would leave 5 minutes after the Seaford train giving ample space between the two trains that are on a 15 minute daytime frequency.
  • For example Seaford train...departs ARS 1200 arrives Woodland Park 1211
    1215 arrives Woodland Park 1226
    1230 arrives Woodland Park 1241
    1245 arrives Woodland Park 1256
  • Flinders train (all stops) departs ARS 1205 arrives Woodland Park 1220
    1220 arrives Woodland Park 1235
    1235 arrives Woodland Park 1250
And do the same thing on the city bound trip, the Flinders train arrives at Woodland Park 5 minutes after the Seaford express
That's fine and it can cope with tighter schedules than a 15 minute frequency. The Tonsley line used to leave from a different platform at ARS and use the Belair line tracks from ARS to Mile End. Effectively it was quadruple track for that first bit.

Also, if they go with this scheduling idea, it would mean no need for separate express trains on the Seaford line. This will make passengers more sure that they know where the train will stop. On network diagrams it could show the Seaford line as not stopping between ARS and Woodlands Park.

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