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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#451 Post by rev » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:51 pm

Federal Labor is also promising a $2000 rebate for battery storage/backup for 100,000 households if they are re-elected.
Tied to their usual socialist ideological mumbo jumbo naturally.

They should be, in conjunction with state & territory governments, offering at least 1/3 of the cost in rebates for the complete package of solar panels AND battery storage/backup.

All government housing and public buildings should be fitted out as well.

They keep telling us they’re going to do something about power prices being so high? Well help the majority of people who still don’t have solar and most don’t have battery storage to get those things installed so they don’t have to fork out thousands every year to power companies ripping people off.

Who cares what it costs. The money people save they’ll spend and there’ll be a boost to local economies, so more GST revenue for the lazy bastards in Canberra.

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#452 Post by rubberman » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:30 pm

rev wrote:
Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:51 pm
Federal Labor is also promising a $2000 rebate for battery storage/backup for 100,000 households if they are re-elected.
Tied to their usual socialist ideological mumbo jumbo naturally.

They should be, in conjunction with state & territory governments, offering at least 1/3 of the cost in rebates for the complete package of solar panels AND battery storage/backup.

All government housing and public buildings should be fitted out as well.

They keep telling us they’re going to do something about power prices being so high? Well help the majority of people who still don’t have solar and most don’t have battery storage to get those things installed so they don’t have to fork out thousands every year to power companies ripping people off.

Who cares what it costs. The money people save they’ll spend and there’ll be a boost to local economies, so more GST revenue for the lazy bastards in Canberra.
For balance, here's the not socialist mumbo jumbo version from a representative of the right.

https://youtu.be/iUt595Gc6Bw

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#453 Post by rev » Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:00 pm

rubberman wrote:
Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:30 pm
rev wrote:
Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:51 pm
Federal Labor is also promising a $2000 rebate for battery storage/backup for 100,000 households if they are re-elected.
Tied to their usual socialist ideological mumbo jumbo naturally.

They should be, in conjunction with state & territory governments, offering at least 1/3 of the cost in rebates for the complete package of solar panels AND battery storage/backup.

All government housing and public buildings should be fitted out as well.

They keep telling us they’re going to do something about power prices being so high? Well help the majority of people who still don’t have solar and most don’t have battery storage to get those things installed so they don’t have to fork out thousands every year to power companies ripping people off.

Who cares what it costs. The money people save they’ll spend and there’ll be a boost to local economies, so more GST revenue for the lazy bastards in Canberra.
For balance, here's the not socialist mumbo jumbo version from a representative of the right.

https://youtu.be/iUt595Gc6Bw
I don't know who was worse the Liberal leader or the reporter in that video.

Left and right aside, I think it's in the interests of the state and nation to get as many people on solar/storage.
Be it through subsidies, or a government interest free loan scheme. Let's face it, with 1 in 5 or 7 South Australians relying on food hand outs, it's not like many can afford to install solar let alone battery back up storage. Relieving some of the house hold bill pressures would be a big big help to many people struggling.

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#454 Post by PeFe » Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:34 pm

I still think recipients of government handouts for batteries should be obliged to be part of some sort of vpp (virtual power plant) whether it is the South Australian government scheme or the proposed Labor scheme.

Having hundreds of megawatts of extra power during heatwaves would be of great benefit to the community and forstalling the need to build some sort of huge power reserve (at a great cost) to deal with these circumstances (as well as making good economic sense....nothing is free..someone else always pays..)
If you want government handouts then you should be prepared to put something back into the community.

And if you want a laugh you should read the letters page of the Weekend Australian (24-11) regarding Bill Shorten's pledge to implement a battery subsidy scheme.....not one letter in favour, total community outrage!!! These people obviously have no idea that its South Australian Liberal government policy as well.....irony...totally lost on that right wing section of the Liberal Party and their supporters.

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#455 Post by claybro » Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:12 pm

Agree that government subsidised battery recipients should be feeding into the grid to iron out peaks and troughs. Re the state Libs. I think you'll find that although renewables are generally opposite to Liberal DNA, I think SA had gone so far down the renewable road, that the state would have lost too much business, cedability in investment circles, and jobs should the Libs have pulled the rug. It doesn't mean they, or their supporters would ever have supported renewables to such an extent in the first place, and probably still don't.

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#456 Post by SBD » Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:28 pm

claybro wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:12 pm
Agree that government subsidised battery recipients should be feeding into the grid to iron out peaks and troughs. Re the state Libs. I think you'll find that although renewables are generally opposite to Liberal DNA, I think SA had gone so far down the renewable road, that the state would have lost too much business, cedability in investment circles, and jobs should the Libs have pulled the rug. It doesn't mean they, or their supporters would ever have supported renewables to such an extent in the first place, and probably still don't.
As far as I know, nobody has started building any new power stations since the election - AGL had started on Barker Inlet to replace Torrens Island A before the election, and Alinta still hasn't started the gas power station at Reeves Plains that had planning approval before the election.

On the renewable side, Bungala and Tailem Bend solar and Willogoleche and Lincoln Gap wind farms all started before the election; Port Augusta and Whyalla both have plans that haven't started, and the Aurora solar thermal that has a contract to supply power to the state government from 2020 has not started construction. It was scheduled to start construction in mid-2018, no wonder the treasurer was looking into the terms of the contract.

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#457 Post by PeFe » Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:45 pm

The Aurora Solar Reserve power station in Port Augusta is delayed because the company is still looking for finance. The Feds are providing a $100 million low interest startup loan leaving the company looking for $550 million.....

The South Australian (Liberal Government) has certainly given approval and would want this to go ahead (Because it will provide 8 hours of storage @150mw by far the biggest energy storage project in SA)

Word on the street is that the price Solar Reserve is going to sell to the government ($78 mwh) is too low........hence Solar Reserve is also planning to build a conventional 70mw solar farm next to the proposed solar thermal tower to earn some extra income.

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#458 Post by rev » Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:56 pm

What about every neighbourhood of X amount of blocks or properties, have one of those industrial Tesla batteries like that WA community I posted about?

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#459 Post by PeFe » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:39 pm

It looks like the Tesla VPP is finally getting off the ground

From Renew Economy
Tesla teams up with Energy Locals for S.A. virtual power plant

Tesla Energy is teaming up with community-based retailer Energy Locals as it formally launches the second phase of its proposed virtual power plant in South Australia, with high hopes that it may yet deliver the 250MW first promised.

The pairing of Tesla with Energy Locals, which will make its first entry into South Australia and act as the retailer for the 1,000 Tesla batteries and rooftop solar to be installed under this second stage of the plan, was announced on Wednesday by state energy minister Dan van Holst Pellekaan.

Ironically, the Tesla VPP was unveiled by the previous Labor government and initially dismissed by new Liberal Premier Steve Marshall after his election win in March because he favoured his own plan to provide $100 million in rebates for household storage to 40,000 homes.

Fullarticle : https://reneweconomy.com.au/tesla-teams ... ant-78123/

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#460 Post by PeFe » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:14 pm

Article from Renew Economy about the big Tesla battery's first year of operation.
Tesla big battery turns one, celebrates $50 million in grid savings

The Tesla big battery in South Australia on Friday celebrates its first anniversary since swinging into action on November 30 last year – a day before its official opening.

In that period, the 100MW/129MWh Tesla big battery – officially known as the Hornsdale Power Reserve – has defied the critics and naysayers and proved that it can make money, lower prices and boost grid security. More than that, it has become a major signpost to the future of faster, cheaper, smarter and cleaner grid.

The Tesla big battery – still the world’s biggest lithium-ion battery – officially exchanged contracts on December 1, but readers will remember it was actually called into action a day earlier by the Australian Energy Market Operator anxious to help it deal with potential grid issues.

Almost immediately, it displayed is wares by stepping into the market when the big Loy Yang A generator tripped, reacting more quickly and precisely than the lumbering fossil fuel generators the grid has traditionally relied upon, so much so that AEMO has praised the battery for its speed, versatility and accuracy.

Its performance has opened up a whole new world to network operators, grid owners and project developers, and underlined the need for regulators and rule-makers to move quickly to keep up with technologies to ensure that the myriad functions of batteries can be reflected in the markets.

The Tesla big battery is now playing a key role in AEMO’smanagement of the grid and its protective systems, as illustrated when the battery stepped in to stabilise the grid when Queensland and South Australia were islanded by a major network fault caused by two lightinight strikes. Outages were suffered in every state apart from South Australia, thanks to the role of the battery.

It is also making money, and lowering costs. The battery cost $91 million, but has likely lowered costs by around $50 million, according to Neoen CEO Franck Wotiez.

“It has been an amazing project,” Wotiez told RenewEconomy this week. “It is amazing, too, for us and for AEMO. It is really positive.

“I was with premier of South Australian on Friday and we were highlighting the savings to the taxpayers, thanks to added competition to the market. I think the common number is $50 million of savings from FCAS.”

Neoen may release further analysis of its performance in coming weeks.

What is already known is most of those savings have been achieved by smashing the cartel of gas generators that was controlling prices in the FCAS market.

Full article : https://reneweconomy.com.au/tesla-big-b ... ngs-95920/

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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

#461 Post by PeFe » Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:27 pm

Latest on the Lincoln Gap wind farm near Port Augusta.

From Renew Economy
Nexif hits go on final 86MW of Lincoln Gap Wind Farm, with close of CEFC debt deal

South Australia’s 212MW Lincoln Gap Wind Farm – which is set to host the state’s third big battery, and possibly solar, too – is moving ahead with stage two of construction, adding the final 24 turbines and 86MW of generating capacity to the project.

Singapore-based project developer Nexif Energy said this week that the second stage of the $480 million wind farm near Port Augusta had been given the green light, after the close of a $160 million debt deal with the Clean Energy Finance Corporation and infrastructure investment company Westbourne Capital.

Stage two will add to the 126MW currently under construction by wind turbine manufacturer Senvion, and will support more than 110 construction jobs for an additional 18 months at the site.

Once completed – it is expected to be operational by mid-2019 – the wind farm will have 59 Senvion 3.6M140 turbines and a total generating capacity of over 212 MW, producing enough energy to power 155,000 households in South Australia.

As we reported last month, plans to add storage to Lincoln Gap are also underway, with Siemens/AES joint venture Fluence signed up to deliver a 10MW/10MWh battery based energy storage system, targeted for completion in May 2019.

At the time, Nexif said it had partnered with Fluence after a “rigorous evaluation process,” to deliver an energy storage system to “reliably integrate” the wind farm’s output to the National Electricity Market.

All up, the project is being noted as one of the first hybrid renewable and storage projects to secure non-subsidised financing.

“This is a continuation of our investment in South Australia where we are incredibly excited to be investing, and to be at the forefront with the first unsubsidised battery storage project for the state,’’ said Nexif co-chief executive Matthew Bartley.

“There remains potential to further expand Lincoln Gap and we are now working on feasibility studies to determine how large that could be, as well as trying to bring technologies together to add solar to the wind energy and battery storage at Lincoln Gap to create a genuine hybrid energy hub.”

Nexif has also secured an off-take deal for the output of Lincoln Gap, via two long-term contracts with retailer ERM Power, that were locked in in April 2017, just a month after the company bought the wind farm from OneWind Australia.

Full article : https://reneweconomy.com.au/nexif-hits- ... eal-40772/

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