Re: News & Discussion: Cycling Infrastructure
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 2:15 pm
Westside wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:28 pmI'm a troll because I disagree with you, and I pointed out that you were lying about what I said?troll rant
I've made a heap of assumptions about you. Are you suggesting that your flat out lies about what I "apparently" said, were your assumptions? So did you read my posts before making your "assumptions"(ie LIES), or....? Do you not understand the words you use?Mate, thank you for correcting my assumptions, but you've made a heap of assumptions on me. First of all, I'd like to clarify I do not and have not worn lycra ever. When I do ride to work, I can do so in my work attire because it's a short ride. Where riding is impractical, I take the bus and where that doesn't work, I drive. Secondly, you've called me a militant hoon. That's nice. For the record, I've never received a single traffic infringement in all my years of riding and driving. Not one. Zero. I have not made any statements on your driving record because I don't know anything about you and it does not help my argument. But feel free to take as many cheap shots as you please because it only paints you in a less favourable light. Also, I understand that your experiences may be true to you, but the assertions you have made from them are certainly false. But feel free to tell me what falsehoods I've made in your statements.
Nope, get it right. I called you a militant LYCRA hoon. I did not refer to your driving record at all. Not having traffic infringements for hoon driving does not disqualify one from being a hoon either btw.
Don't try play the victim now. You picked the fight, not me. I expressed my opinion that we need better road infrastructure, a complete redesign of the entire network that accommodates ALL users. You're the one who started arguing with me, and then goes on to say, in his own words, pretty much the same thing.
Actually that's not why we pay registration on vehicles. But please tell me more about this theory.So I still feel you need to have a look at some of your 'facts':
1. We pay registration on vehicles because they are dangerous and are required to be controlled. Same reason why you need to register a gun, but not a knife. Remember car registration is only $126 a year - this basically covers the cost of the registration system itself, and nothing more. Pedestrians have more rights on the road than cyclists, yet they we don't have a shoe registration? Should they not be able to use the roads too? Where will your registration scheme end? Skateboards, prams, roller blades, wheelchairs? I'm not against registering bikes if it has a purpose, and I'm happy for you to convince me of the benefits it will provide. What we do know is that it has the potential to discourage bike use and thus increase car use, again creating more congestion.
You do realize a large chunk of the "registration" fee is actually CTP?2. Motorists are required to pay for third party injury insurance, that's it. Again, this is because vehicles cause so many injuries. Motorists aren't required to pay for insurance above that. If you hit a Mercedes in your car and don't have third party property or comprehensive insurance, then you still need to pay for that damage, out of your own pocket. The same goes if a cyclist dents a Mercedes too. If they have purchased insurance, then they are covered, otherwise they pay out of their own pocket like any motorist would. Same thing occurs if you, as a pedestrian, key someone's car.
So if the police can identify you through your registration plate, and track you down, or track down who was driving the vehicle(presumably you aren't going to take the blame for a hit and run for example), are you therefore not being held accountable? Or are you just being a dumb ass for the sake of arguing now?3. Registration and licence plates have nothing to do with accountability, only identification. A registration will tell you who owns the vehicle, not who was driving the vehicle. A motorist is not responsible for an accident if they weren't driving the vehicle at the time. Like I said, all road users are required to provide identification in the event of an accident. This is where accountability is equal between pedestrians, riders and drivers.
I really don't care if you've been responsible for a 12 car pile up that caused the loss of a b doubles worth of beer.4. I have also never been involved in an accident as a driver. Not one accident, zero. I have had a driver knock me off my bike while turning left at an intersection. She had to cross into my lane to make the turn, thus did not have right of way. She did not stop and took no accountability for her part in the accident. Her vehicle was registered and I assume she had a drivers licence. But it didn't do me any good and she took zero responsibility for her behaviour. None of the points you have made of 'impositions' imposed on drivers made a scrap of difference in this situation and would have made no difference if I were at fault and caused damage to her car. I can tell you for nothing that I would have stopped and provided my details and paid for any damage I'd caused.
So you were next to(left side) of the car, heading in the same direction, until she decided to turn left? Or did she start to make her turn while you were behind her, in her blind spot, and you failed to stop, because you have the mentality that a cyclist owns the road and every other vehicle on the road must swerve, slow down, stop and get out of the way of cyclists?
So when you say that none of my points would have made a difference if you were at fault, you think that if there was better infrastructure that accommodated all road users with the appropriate space so that cyclists were actually safe and not dicing with death on inadequate road infrastructure and (many)are incompetent lance armstrong wannabes, signal sequences, lighting, that all road users were registered and able to be held accountable, that none of this would have made a difference?
Wow, so apparently the militant cyclist thinks that better road infrastructure that creates a safer environment for all road users, wouldn't make a difference.
Now I've heard it all.
lol.To my last point, if you don't know how to overtake a cyclist, then get off the road. As a cyclist, I constantly have to move over for other road users. But I do so, because I'm not the only one on the road and we all have a right to be there. So stop attacking cyclists for getting in your way and start thanking them for helping reduce the congestion in your drive.