News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#991 Post by 1NEEDS2POST » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:27 pm

ml69 wrote:
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Hampstead Road is a major freight route - I'm sure Botany Road is not. However, there are many roads in Adelaide that could benefit from this treatment.
Having lived in both Sydney and Adelaide, I would say that Sydney is better at managing traffic on major roads.

Firstly, there is very little on-street parking on major roads in Sydney. You generally don’t have to weave around parked cars on major roads. If parking is allowed, the clearways are like 6-10am and 3-7pm.

Secondly, right-hand turns are strictly controlled on major Sydney roads. You won’t find cars stopped in the right-hand lane waiting to turn right into a side street. You turn right at signalised intersections, which usually give you a very long right-turn green arrow so you are not waiting for many cycle changes before you can turn right.

I think DPTI could learn a lot by how Sydney manages its major road network to keep traffic flowing. I think they do it very well considering the traffic volumes they experience.
If you try removing parking on main roads in Adelaide, suddenly all you hear are complaints. How does Sydney silence the whingers?

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#992 Post by 1NEEDS2POST » Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:18 am

International public transport guru, Jarrett Walker, wrote about the bus network redesign failure.

https://humantransit.org/2020/07/adelai ... fails.html
  • If you are using the redesign to cut service, there should be a clearly understood reason, like the pandemic and related budget crises. Service cuts due to crisis can be a good time to do redesign — if that helps reduce the overall damage of the cuts — but it means that you have to deal with anger about the cuts at the same time that you deal with anger about the redesign.
  • Minimize the number of controversies you are having at once. Network redesign is controversial enough when the public is allowed to focus on it; it gets much harder when the public confuses it with other issues happening at the same time. Don’t try to reform contracts with operating companies, or introduce new companies, at the same time. Don’t raise fares at the same time.
  • Don’t propose magical outcomes. The government used the language of trying to “reduce subsidies” while improving service, due to some alchemy that was supposed to happen inside the operating companies. This is not how it works. Setting impossible expectations is a guarantee of failure.
  • Provide very clear information in lots of formats, with good before-and-after analysis tools. We provide before-and-after trip planners, maps of how access (where you can get to in a reasonable time) changes, and lots of other ways for people to engage with how the plan affects their lives as well as how it affects the city.
  • Go to the public with options, or at least a draft, with a clear message that the plan will be revised in response to comment.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#993 Post by adelaide transport » Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:20 am

A down to earth article about the failure-thanks for posting.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#994 Post by adelaide transport » Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:15 am

Perhaps you should send this article to both the Premier and the Transport Minister.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#995 Post by PeFe » Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:31 am

adelaide transport wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:15 am
Perhaps you should send this article to both the Premier and the Transport Minister.
Send it to their advisers....they are the ones pulling the strings behind the scenes.

I doubt whether Knoll is even slightly interested in public transport....

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#996 Post by Spotto » Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:42 pm

1NEEDS2POST wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:18 am
[*]Go to the public with options, or at least a draft, with a clear message that the plan will be revised in response to comment.[/list]
The simplest, easiest mistake that they made. If the public likes X change but not Y change, then keep X change and rework or drop Y change. Approaches to public transport, or any public service, needs to be flexible.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#997 Post by PeFe » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:22 pm

Here's an overlay of the current network (grey) and the cancelled proposal (colour) so you can see where service was removed or rerouted.

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/attachme ... pg.358793/

This map was created by Gazza2 and posted on the OzScrapers transport forum.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#998 Post by adelaide transport » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:54 pm

PeFe wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:22 pm
Here's an overlay of the current network (grey) and the cancelled proposal (colour) so you can see where service was removed or rerouted.

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/attachme ... pg.358793/

This map was created by Gazza2 and posted on the OzScrapers transport forum.
Do you have a link to this forum please.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#999 Post by PeFe » Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:05 pm

adelaide transport wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:54 pm
PeFe wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:22 pm
Here's an overlay of the current network (grey) and the cancelled proposal (colour) so you can see where service was removed or rerouted.

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/attachme ... pg.358793/

This map was created by Gazza2 and posted on the OzScrapers transport forum.
Do you have a link to this forum please.
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/ ... 2/page-165

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#1000 Post by adelaide transport » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:11 pm

Thanks for that.

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