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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#586 Post by 1NEEDS2POST » Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:59 pm

Eurostar wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:49 pm
In my opinion its time King William Street between North Terrace and Victoria Square be turned into a transit mall
It's easier to just change the traffic signal cycles. Make all of those signals pedestrian scrambles and give them a scramble twice per cycle. This is a low cost solution to the problem.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#587 Post by Waewick » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:08 pm

I am all for getting traffic from the cbd.

But the state govt needs to get serious about the ring route and PT on the route


They need to make it quicker to not go through the CBD.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#588 Post by PeFe » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:20 pm

Bus cuts announced.....heavily focussed on outer northern and southern suburbs.
Bus timetable changes January 2019
The State Government has completed a review of public transport services announced in the State Budget to improve the efficiency throughout the network and provide better services.

As announced in September, the review had identified low patronised bus services with an average number of five or less passengers per trip and services duplicated by existing train lines that provide a more efficient service.

The changes will come into effect from Sunday 27 January 2019 with new timetables available from mid-January.

Changes are detailed below.

150

Reduced frequency to every 30 minutes between 9.40am and 3.25pm Monday to Friday due to close proximity to Outer Harbor train line
Inbound services departing Victoria Road 60 at 10.25am, 11.25am, 12.25pm, 1.25pm, 2.25pm and 3.25pm removed
Outbound services departing the city at 9.40am, 10.37am, 11.37am, 12.37pm, 1.37pm and 2.37 removed
Extensions to the Australian Submarine Corporation to be restored
222

Additional weeknight and weekend PM services to maintain Go Zone
224

Services shortened to feeder services (Elizabeth to Mawson Lakes and return only)
09.32am to last service to city Monday to Friday
before 2.47pm and after 6.06pm from the city Monday to Friday
all day on weekends and public holidays
225

First AM Monday to Friday service removed both directions
333

All services removed except 2 AM and 2 PM peak trips, due to close proximity to Outer Harbor train line and low patronage
Services from Military Road 59 at 08.34am and 09.04am retained
Services from Port Adelaide at 2.30pm and 3.15pm retained
Buses to Australian Submarine Corporation will continue to operate
350

Route being removed due to ongoing consistently low patronage
400A

First AM Monday to Friday Salisbury North to Salisbury service removed
401

Last PM Salisbury to Paralowie service removed Monday to Saturday
404

First AM Monday to Friday anti-clockwise loop service removed
405

First AM Monday to Friday clockwise loop service removed
411

Last PM Mawson Lakes to Salisbury service removed Monday to Saturday
451

First two AM Monday to Friday services to Elizabeth removed
First AM Monday to Friday service to Munno Para Centre removed
451A Last PM service from Elizabeth removed 7 days a week
452

First AM Monday to Friday service to Elizabeth removed
491

First two AM Monday to Friday services removed
681

First AM Monday to Friday service removed in both directions
681A Last PM service from Hallett Cove Beach Station removed 7 days a week
First AM Saturday service from Hallett Cove Beach Station removed
682

First AM Monday to Friday service removed in both directions
Last PM service from Hallett Cove Beach Station removed 7 days a week
First AM Saturday service to Hallett Cove Beach Station removed
First AM Sunday and public holidays service from Hallett Cove Beach Station removed
683

Last PM Monday to Friday service from Hallett Cove Beach Station removed
First AM Sunday and public holidays service to Hallett Cove Beach Station removed
721L

Last late night services removed 7 days a week
722

First AM Monday to Friday service to Noarlunga Centre removed
Last PM service to Noarlunga Centre removed 7 days a week
722A Last PM service from Noarlunga Centre removed 7 days a week
733

Last PM service Marion/O'Halloran Hill to Noarlunga removed 7 days a week
733G Last PM service from Noarlunga removed 7 days a week
724

First AM service Monday to Friday from Noarlunga Centre removed
725

First AM service Monday to Friday to Noarlunga removed
Last PM services to Noarlunga removed 7 days a week
725A Last PM service to Old Reynella removed 7 days a week
734

First AM service Monday to Friday to Noarlunga Centre removed
Last PM service to Noarlunga Centre removed 7 days a week
737

First AM service Monday to Friday to Old Reynella removed
741

Reduced frequency to every 60 minutes (with 750/751) between Seaford and Colonnades due to proximity to Seaford train line
Monday to Friday services from Maslin Beach at 9.20am and 11.20am removed
Monday to Friday services from Colonnades at 12.24pm, 2.24pm, 4.24pm and 5.15pm removed
Monday to Friday services from Colonnades at 5.56pm and 7.11pm shortened to commence at Seaford
741A service from Maslin Beach Monday to Friday at 5.12am removed
743

First AM Monday to Friday loop service removed
Last PM loop service removed 7 days a week
745C

Last PM service from Noarlunga removed 7 days a week
747B

Last PM service from Noarlunga removed 7 days a week
750

Reduced frequency to every 60 minutes (with 741/751) between Seaford and Colonnades due to proximity to Seaford train line
INBOUND

750 services from Seaford to Noarlunga Monday to Friday at 8.26am, 6.08pm and 7.38pm removed
750 services at 9.40am, 11.40am, 12.40pm, 1.40pm, 2.40pm, 3.40pm, 4.40pm and 6.06pm from Sellicks Beach shortened to terminate at Seaford Monday to Friday and display route 750R
750 services at 6.08pm and 7.38pm Monday to Friday from Sellicks Beach removed
750 weekend services from Sellicks Beach/Aldinga Shopping Centre at 7.27am, 8.27am, 9.58am, 10.27am, 11.58am, 12.27pm, 1.58pm, 2.27pm, 3.58pm, 4.27pm and 5.58pm shortened to terminate at Seaford and display route 750R
OUTBOUND

750B services from Noarlunga Centre Monday to Friday at 9.24am, 10.24am, 11.24am, 1.24pm and 3.24pm shortened to commence from Seaford
750B service from Seaford Monday to Friday at 11.57pm removed
750C services from Noarlunga Centre at 7.42am Monday to Friday and at 11.52pm 7 days a week removed
750B service from Noarlunga Centre at 11.52pm 7 days a week removed
750 and 750B services from Colonnades and Noarlunga Centre on weekends at 8.57am, 9.55am, 10.55am, 11.55am, 12.55pm, 1.55pm, 2.55pm, 3.55pm, 4.55pm, 5.55pm and 6.55pm shortened to commence from Seaford
750B service from Seaford Monday to Friday at 11.57pm removed
751

Reduced frequency to every 60 minutes (with 741/750) between Seaford and Colonnades due to proximity to Seaford train line

INBOUND

751/751A services from Aldinga Monday to Friday at 6.32am, 6.52am, 7.14pm, 8.14pm and 9.14pm shortened to terminate at Seaford and display route 751R
751C service from Aldinga Monday to Friday at 8.03am removed
751A weekend services from Aldinga at 7.14pm and Willunga at 8.31pm will terminate at Seaford and display 751R
751A service from Seaford on weekends at 10.01pm removed
OUTBOUND

751 service from Colonnades Monday to Friday at 6.26pm shortened to commence from Seaford
751R service from Colonnades Monday to Friday at 9.33pm removed
751 service from Noarlunga Centre on weekends at 8.27pm shortened to commence from Seaford
751R service from Colonnades on weekends at 9.27pm removed
G30F

Two outbound PM peak trips removed due to close availability of Belair train line

Other savings will be made through school holiday and festive season timetables and the review of Adelaide Oval express.

The estimated full year savings are $3.5million.

https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/Announ ... nuary-2019

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#589 Post by PeFe » Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:10 pm

Bus cuts are heavily focused on outer northern and southern suburbs....no surprises there (car dominated low density suburbia with few "destinations" apart from shopping centres)

Whilst I dont object to rationalisation where services are duplicated (bus and train along the same corridor) I wish things like "feeder" buses in Adelaide are a little better thought out......224 Elizabeth to Mawson Lakes....a feeder bus for whom to get where?

Really most feeder buses should be east-west rather than north-south parallel to the railway.

And the 150 bus has been cut to 30 minute day time services, fair enough as it duplicates the Outer Harbor train service, but how about displaying the train AND bus timetables on Port Road AND at the train stations.....so people who dont know Adelaide public transport inside out realise there is an alternative close by.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#590 Post by SBD » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:29 pm

PeFe wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:10 pm
Bus cuts are heavily focused on outer northern and southern suburbs....no surprises there (car dominated low density suburbia with few "destinations" apart from shopping centres)

Whilst I dont object to rationalisation where services are duplicated (bus and train along the same corridor) I wish things like "feeder" buses in Adelaide are a little better thought out......224 Elizabeth to Mawson Lakes....a feeder bus for whom to get where?

Really most feeder buses should be east-west rather than north-south parallel to the railway.

And the 150 bus has been cut to 30 minute day time services, fair enough as it duplicates the Outer Harbor train service, but how about displaying the train AND bus timetables on Port Road AND at the train stations.....so people who don't know Adelaide public transport inside out realise there is an alternative close by.
As an outer northern suburb resident, I agree that more east-west routes would be good (but I'd also admit I hardly ever catch buses, maybe because of this). We have 44x routes between Elizabeth, Smithfield and Munno Para via eastern suburbs and 45x routes through the Elizabeth and Smithfield hubs on the western side extending through Munno Para but not serving that station (and 46x serving Munno Para West and Angle Vale from Smithfeld). There is no route between suburbs east of Main North Road and west of the railway line.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#591 Post by jorcoga » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:11 pm

The 150 surprises me. I'd often catch it because for most of last year I had a weekly appointment at Port Adelaide that followed onto a weekly appointment in the East End so I caught it a lot, it always seemed to be more full than average for an 1pm weekday bus by the time it got into the city. I don't know the route it takes up the Lefevre Peninsula very well but I would've thought you could just split the route and have a 151 or something that departs from Port Adelaide if rail duplication is an issue.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#592 Post by Eurostar » Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:16 am

Time to bring back the SL routes with mini buses because surely it will be more cost effective to run mini buses at night than big buses.

Whilst you are at it merge some routes at night. For example:

the 400 and 401 could be replaced by the former 402.
The 404, 405, 411 could be replaced by the former 412.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#593 Post by SBD » Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:13 pm

Eurostar wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:16 am
Time to bring back the SL routes with mini buses because surely it will be more cost effective to run mini buses at night than big buses.

Whilst you are at it merge some routes at night. For example:

the 400 and 401 could be replaced by the former 402.
The 404, 405, 411 could be replaced by the former 412.
443 already replaces 441 and 442 at night in that model.

While running a minibus would clearly consume less fuel than a bigger bus, the other costs of running a fleet might mean that the total cost of ownership doesn't justify increasing the size of the fleet with a new model, since the driver cost is the same, but service and maintenance costs increase with each type at a depot.

Increasing the range of available routes by using the minibuses during the day on marginal routes could look attractive, but then the operators (or government) would get criticised for having routes that are only served during peak times and aren't available at night because the smaller buses are moved to the bigger routes.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#594 Post by crawf » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:23 am

https://www.facebook.com/7NewsAdelaide/ ... 979498798/

Absolute BS that the timetables are still running on reduced frequency when the Festive Season is now over and people are returning back to work. How much are they actually saving?

Stephen Knoll is becoming a disappointment.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#595 Post by Brucetiki » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:32 pm

crawf wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:23 am
https://www.facebook.com/7NewsAdelaide/ ... 979498798/

Absolute BS that the timetables are still running on reduced frequency when the Festive Season is now over and people are returning back to work. How much are they actually saving?

Stephen Knoll is becoming a disappointment.
Perhaps Knoll needs to spend less time working out how he would like his name pronounced and more time actually doing his job. So far he's been pretty incompetent as a minister. Not Corey Wingard levels yet, but getting there.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#596 Post by PeFe » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:01 pm

Its the last day of the "festive season" bus timetable........I think it probably does reflect patronage levels...50%(?) of the cbd workers in the city this week?

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#597 Post by Waewick » Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:42 pm

crawf wrote:https://www.facebook.com/7NewsAdelaide/ ... 979498798/

Absolute BS that the timetables are still running on reduced frequency when the Festive Season is now over and people are returning back to work. How much are they actually saving?

Stephen Knoll is becoming a disappointment.
I think they do it every year.

I know the bus i occasionally take does.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#598 Post by Norman » Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:06 pm

Waewick wrote:
crawf wrote:https://www.facebook.com/7NewsAdelaide/ ... 979498798/

Absolute BS that the timetables are still running on reduced frequency when the Festive Season is now over and people are returning back to work. How much are they actually saving?

Stephen Knoll is becoming a disappointment.
I think they do it every year.

I know the bus i occasionally take does.
Yes, but this year the period was longer and the cuts were more severe.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#599 Post by rev » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:05 pm

Norwood, Payneham & St Peters Council proposing new bus route to link inner north with east
Ben Cameron, Eastern Courier Messenger
26 minutes ago
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Segways, Uber-style buses could become part of transport system

A new congestion-busting bus service connecting the inner northern suburbs with the east side of town will be proposed to the State Government.

Norwood, Payneham & St Peters Council will write to the Transport Minister Stephan Knoll seeking a feasibility study into the potential introduction of the new route

It could run, the council says, off North East Rd and Nottage Tce, Medindie Gardens, to Kensington Rd, along Stephen Tce, Nelson St and Osmond Tce.

Spearheading the push, Mayor Robert Bria said almost all bus routes in NP&SP ran in an east-west direction, and in and out of the Adelaide CBD.

“To go from North East Rd to Currie St to The Parade can take up to 40 minutes,” Mr Bria said.

“Cutting it to about 12 to 15 minutes would be ideal.”

With the former Caroma site on Magill Rd poised to make way for a seven-storey development and up to 200 residential apartments, traffic would increase on Magill Rd, Nelson St and Osmond Tce.

The new bus route had the potential to create more economic opportunities for businesses along Magill Rd and The Parade.

Mr Bria said a new bus route would also allow residents living in the inner north and working in the east to avoid taking a bus into the CBD and then another out again.

“The State Government is currently conducting a review on bus services so it makes sense to make this approach now, whilst consideration is being given to what a future public bus service will look like,” Mr Bria said.

Cr Sue Whitington agreed, saying it was an “excellent opportunity for consideration”, while Cr Christel Mex said a new bus route was “really needed” with “all the infill we’re having”.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/messenge ... 2ebff8b809

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#600 Post by PeFe » Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:32 pm

Council pipedreams......where are some numbers from the council? At least a guestimate of the number of people to use the new service?

The DPTI would have the true numbers of people commuting from the inner north to the inner east via Metrocard/Metroticket validations.
I doubt this justifies a new bus route (especially at a time when Knoll is looking to cut the number of under-performing bus routes).

Adelaide is a CBD centric/radial city.....good service into the CBD and out again is the most practical solution to cross-suburban travel via public transport.

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