News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#766 Post by PeFe » Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:40 am

Looks like all the Outer Northern bus routes may be reorganised once the electrification of the Gawler Line is complete.

No more city buses from so far out....they will all be feeder buses to the train system.

Hope Knoll plans on improving some of those rundown northern train stations to keep the public onside.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#767 Post by Joelmark » Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:36 am

Since one of the main selling points of the contracts by the State Liberal Government is that they will deliver 'better integration of services', yet they also claim that they will continue to own the infrastructure, set the fares and decide the services, one does really wonder what has been preventing the Government from better linking up the franchised bus services to the government-operated trains and trams thus far.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#768 Post by ml69 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:02 am

PeFe wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:40 am
Looks like all the Outer Northern bus routes may be reorganised once the electrification of the Gawler Line is complete.

No more city buses from so far out....they will all be feeder buses to the train system.
They just need to talk to the people who run Perth public transport and COPY what they do on the Joondalup and Mandurah lines.

That would be a great start already.

Over there, feeder buses are synched to train arrival/departure times, and the bus/train schedule and route map shows both legs of the journey into and out of the CBD. It’s simple and well done. We just need to copy it.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#769 Post by claybro » Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:35 am

ml69 wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:02 am
PeFe wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:40 am
Looks like all the Outer Northern bus routes may be reorganised once the electrification of the Gawler Line is complete.

No more city buses from so far out....they will all be feeder buses to the train system.
They just need to talk to the people who run Perth public transport and COPY what they do on the Joondalup and Mandurah lines.

That would be a great start already.

Over there, feeder buses are synched to train arrival/departure times, and the bus/train schedule and route map shows both legs of the journey into and out of the CBD. It’s simple and well done. We just need to copy it.
This approach works well here in Perth, however keep in mind the lines here have stations spaced 5km apart, and trains reach 130 km/h. Adelaide will require a serious ramping up of express trains, speed up those trains, amalgamate/relocate stations, and close all the whistle stop ghost platforms. Is parochial suburban Adelaide ready for this??

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#770 Post by Llessur2002 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:45 am

claybro wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:35 am
This approach works well here in Perth, however keep in mind the lines here have stations spaced 5km apart
Only on the Mandurah and Joondalup lines - the Fremantle, Armadale and Midland lines all have station spacing at around the 600m-2km mark just like Adelaide. Some of the station spacing looks even closer than on our network - especially on the Fremantle line.

Maybe there is an argument for a different treatment of the Gawler and Seaford lines on our network to reflect the longer distance over which they run?

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#771 Post by SBD » Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:35 pm

ml69 wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:02 am
PeFe wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:40 am
Looks like all the Outer Northern bus routes may be reorganised once the electrification of the Gawler Line is complete.

No more city buses from so far out....they will all be feeder buses to the train system.
They just need to talk to the people who run Perth public transport and COPY what they do on the Joondalup and Mandurah lines.

That would be a great start already.

Over there, feeder buses are synched to train arrival/departure times, and the bus/train schedule and route map shows both legs of the journey into and out of the CBD. It’s simple and well done. We just need to copy it.
Swan Transit in Perth is a sister company of Torrens Transit in Adelaide (both are subsidiaries of Transit Systems, which in turn is owned by SeaLink Travel Group).

There have been hints that there are different terms in the new contracts than have been in the 2011 contracts. It would be interesting to learn what the differences are that enable (or require) this restructure under the new contract but were not already available under the present arrangements.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#772 Post by claybro » Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:08 pm

Llessur2002 wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:45 am
claybro wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:35 am
This approach works well here in Perth, however keep in mind the lines here have stations spaced 5km apart
Only on the Mandurah and Joondalup lines - the Fremantle, Armadale and Midland lines all have station spacing at around the 600m-2km mark just like Adelaide. Some of the station spacing looks even closer than on our network - especially on the Fremantle line.

Maybe there is an argument for a different treatment of the Gawler and Seaford lines on our network to reflect the longer distance over which they run?
Correct you are, but the older lines do not act as much as bus catchments, as many of the stations are not really suited to interchange and as you say.. the spacing . I think you do have a point that the Gawler and SeFord line should be treated a bit differently than OH and Belair, due to lower population density on those lines. Geographically the current spread of lines is very similar in Perth as Adelaide, until the 3 new lines open within the next decade with a much wider coverage. These lines will also have wider spaced stations, and interchange provision.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#773 Post by OlympusAnt » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:39 pm

The new bus was out doing to the rounds today. The logo is even more hideous in the flesh.
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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#774 Post by adelaide transport » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:51 pm

OlympusAnt wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:39 pm
The new bus was out doing to the rounds today. The logo is even more hideous in the flesh.
There are now 4 of the new Scania Bustechs operating out of Morphettville Depot

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#775 Post by ginzahikari » Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:28 pm

New information announced for 'better public transport in SA'

Please refer to link (with updated content): https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/Announ ... -Australia

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#776 Post by PeFe » Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:06 pm

Proposed Go Zone changes
Better, faster and more frequent bus and tram services
Around 700,000 South Australians will now live near a Go Zone with bus services to run every 15 minutes or less, increasing frequency for almost a quarter of a million people.

Key aspects of the better, faster and more frequent bus services as a result of the new bus service contracts include:

Almost 700,000 people will live within 800 metres of a Go Zone, increasing frequency for almost a quarter of a million people (increase of 223,000 people or 47%)
45 Go Zone corridors, an increase of 10 to deliver more frequent services
A further 20 of the 45 Go Zones have been extended increasing frequency for more people
First every metropolitan On Demand services in Seacombe Gardens / Seaview Downs, Blackwood and upgraded in Gawler
Faster journey times on various routes
Bus timetables designed to facilitate connections with train and tram networks
30 cross-suburban / feeder connector routes plus local routes and
Simplified route numbering

Consultation for the new network
A community consultation period will run from April to June 2020 to seek community feedback on the increase in service frequency, new Go Zones and other proposed changes.

The changes will be started following the commencement of the new contracts in early July 2020, with changes to be implemented from later 2020 and into 2021 across the different service areas.

A dedicated website will be available for customers to view proposed service and network changes and to provide their comments on specific detail or on changes as a whole.

Consultation information presented to customers will be in the form of proposed network frequency and format, including proposed route and bus stop changes. Detailed timetables will not be available for consultation.

Once the consultation period closes, expert transport planners will review feedback and, where possible, investigate amendments to the proposed network based on customer feedback.

As a result, the final version of the network may be different from what is initially presented.

More information about the new network will be made available as we progress to community consultation.

Register now to stay informed on consultation timing and how to provide your feedback.

Go Zone services operate approximately every 15 minutes between 6.30am and 6.30pm Monday to Friday (every 10 minutes or more in peak times) and every 30 minutes at night, Saturday, Sunday and public holidays until 10pm.

The new network proposes the following adjustments to Go Zone services.

See the map of proposed changes.
https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/conten ... es%292.pdf

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Total network: almost 700,000 people. An increase of around 223,000 or 47%
East West, Outer North East and North South: around 631,000 people. An increase of around 210,000 or 50%
Outer North: around 65,000 people. an increase of around 31,000 or 94%
Hills: around 20,000 people. Minimal change
Outer South: around 52,000 people. An increase of around 23,000 or 81%
Proposed new Go Zones within 800m, for community consultation, include

City to Marion Shopping Centre via Beckman Street, Towers Terrace and Hendrie Street
City to Mitcham Square Shopping Centre via Fullarton Road
Tea Tree Plaza to The Grove Shopping Centre via Golden Grove Road
City to Beaumont via Dulwich, Greenhill Road and Deveraux Road
City to Lightsview via O-Bahn, Klemzig and East Parkway
City to Marion Shopping Centre via Henley Beach Road, Marion Road and Morphett Road
Marion Shopping Centre to Trott Park via Morphett Road, Seacombe Road and Brighton Rd
City to West Lakes Shopping Centre via Port Road and West Lakes Boulevard
City to Marden via Sixth Avenue
City to Paradise Interchange via Walkerville Terrace and Windsor Gardens

Proposed Go Zones within 800m to be extended, for community consultation, include

City to Kensington via Kensington Road, extended to Burnside
City to Marleston via Richmond Road and Galway Avenue, extended to Glenelg
City to Fulham Gardens via Ashley St and Valetta Road, extended to Henley Beach
City to Glenelg East via Anzac Highway, extended to Marion Shopping Centre
City to Colonel Light Gardens via Goodwood Road, extended to Marion Shopping Centre
City to St Marys via Winston Avenue, extended to Marion Shopping Centre
City to Colonel Light Gardens via King William Road, extended to Panorama Drive
City to Firle via Magill Road and Coorara Avenue, extended to Paradise Interchange
City to Newton Village Shopping Centre via Payneham Road and Montacute Road, extended to Paradise Interchange
City to Rosslyn Park via The Parade, extended to Paradise Interchange
City to Seaton via Grange Road, Crittenden Road and Tapleys Hill Road, extended to Port Adelaide
City to Athol Park via Hawker Street, Torrens Road and Hanson Road, extended to Port Adelaide
City to Cheltenham via Pym St and Torrens Road, changed to travel via new South Road upgrade and extended to Port Adelaide
City to Kensington Park via The Parade, extended to Rostrevor via Glynburn Rd
Paradise Interchange to Salisbury East via Walkleys Road and Bridge Road, extended to Salisbury Interchange
City to Northfield via Melbourne Street and Hampstead Road, extended to Tea Tree Plaza
City to Windsor Gardens via North East Road, extended to Tea Tree Plaza
Tea Tree Plaza Interchange to Fairview Park via Hancock Road, extended to The Grove Shopping Centre
City to Malvern via Duthy Street, extended to Kingswoood
City to Fulham via Henley Beach Road, extended to West Lakes Shopping Centre
Unchanged Go Zones within 800m include;

City to Kilburn via Churchill Road
City to Glen Osmond via Glen Osmond Road
City to West Lakes Shopping Centre via Grange Road and Frederick Road
Tea Tree Plaza to The Grove Shopping Centre via Ladywood Road
City to Paradise Interchange via Payneham Road and Lower North East Road
City to Magill via Magill Road
City to Mawson Lakes Interchange via Main North Road (proposed higher frequency)
Bedford Park to Old Reynella Interchange via Main South Road
South Plympton to Marion Shopping Centre via Marion Road
Tea Tree Plaza to St Agnes via North East Road
Paradise to Tea Tree Plaza via Wandana Avenue, Nelson Road and Kelly Road
City to Blair Athol via Prospect Road
City to Adelaide Airport via Sir Donald Bradman Drive
City to Bedford Park via South Road
City to Mitcham Square Shopping Centre via Unley Road
Proposed Go Zones to have a reduced frequency or be removed, include;

Paradise Interchange to Hope Valley via Lower North East Road
Arndale Shopping Centre to Mansfield Park via Trafford Street and Liberty Grove
City to Broadview via Smith Street and Galway Avenue
NB: Services will still run along these corridors except for Galway Avenue.
Register now to stay informed on consultation timing and how to provide your feedback.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#777 Post by Norman » Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:18 pm

Interesting, it's great to see the expansion of many go zones and will make for fewer shortrunnings and a more attractive service for many. I can definitely see the point behind making Blackwood and Seacombe Gardens on-demand services, especially at night and on weekends, as they are very sparsely used from what I have seen.

I find it curious to see Go Zones extended much further into the eastern suburbs. Is there currently enough demand there?

In line with this, I would like to see more digital stops rolled out into the suburbs, especially interchanges and main streets like The Parade and Prospect.

Looking forward to seeing more details and the feedback process!

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#778 Post by adelaide transport » Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:49 pm

645/646 during the day hardly carry any passengers.
Also we will see a simplification of route numbers-long overdue.
There has been no major overhaul of the whole network for over 20 years.
Come April ,Adelaide Metro will have a dedicated website setting out these changes(no timetables) including frequencies and bus stops.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#779 Post by 1NEEDS2POST » Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:29 pm

Very promising looking expansion. It's early stages yet and I don't see how the Go Zone expansion can occur when we hear of bus drivers getting laid off?

I'd like to see the squiggly routes straightened out and better cross town connectivity. It's hard to move about the suburbs without travelling through the CBD. Fortunately, the main suburban centres of Adelaide make up something like a square that could be connected with one circular route. For example, a route that goes from Modbury -> Port Adelaide -> Airport -> Glenelg -> Glen Osmond -> Norwood -> Klemzig interchange, then O-Bahn -> Modbury. This would be a huge loop, about 70 km long, but it would cover the majority of cross town journeys in Adelaide.

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Re: News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Buses

#780 Post by OlympusAnt » Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:28 pm

It'll be good to see the numbers reorganised.

Who else calls a bus "H30S" :banana:
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