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Re: News & Discussion: Public Transport Service & Policy

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 2:11 pm
by Waewick
Well that was a quick u turn, i thought they said no to privatisation in their election pitches?

Re: News & Discussion: Public Transport Service & Policy

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 2:17 pm
by ChillyPhilly
Adelaide's network is too small for privatisation to be successful in any form.

Re: News & Discussion: Public Transport Service & Policy

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 4:27 pm
by Nort
Waewick wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 2:11 pm
Well that was a quick u turn, i thought they said no to privatisation in their election pitches?
Who would be silly enough to believe that the Libs wouldn't privatize anything they can?

Re: News & Discussion: Public Transport Service & Policy

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:09 pm
by rubberman
Waewick wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 2:11 pm
Well that was a quick u turn, i thought they said no to privatisation in their election pitches?
Just like they said they wouldn't privatise ETSA.

I'm not philosophically driven either way, but there needs to be a business or improved customer service case for doing this.

I have never seen a good before and after economic analysis of privatisation. Now that there's been a lot of privatisation, and over a long time, maybe the costs and benefits should be examined before proceeding.

Re: News & Discussion: Public Transport Service & Policy

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:44 pm
by Eurostar
Public Transport in Adelaide and South Australia needs investment not cuts and privatisation

Re: News & Discussion: Public Transport Service & Policy

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 11:35 pm
by adelaide transport
Our Bus Network needs a complete overhaul.

Re: News & Discussion: Public Transport Service & Policy

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 8:55 am
by muzzamo
I'm in favor of privatising the train network in particular if it is done properly.

Remember - privatisation doesn't necessarily mean selling off the assets and allowing the owner to do what they like with prices.

Under the model used for the busses, I believe the government owns the busses and infrastructure, collects the ticketing revenue, sets the routes, runs the whole thing at an overall loss and puts out the operation of the service out to tender.

This means that you have a relatively efficient, hard working private sector taking care of the day to day operations rather than unaccountable, difficult-to-fire public servants operating under an inefficient, inflexible bureaucracy in charge. There are likely twice as many people employed as there are actually required to do the job. Anyone who has worked in government for a reasonable period of time will know what I mean, or you just need to stand at Adelaide railway station for a bit.

Re: News & Discussion: Public Transport Service & Policy

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 10:51 am
by Eurostar
adelaide transport wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 11:35 pm
Our Bus Network needs a complete overhaul.
In the 80s Adelaide we had top quality buses and trains, good mix of city bus routes and cross suburban bus routes. Without the OBahn traffic congestion in the north eastern suburbs area would be alot worse. In my opinion though there should of been a trainline to Modbury with a corridor reserved for extension to Golden Grove, and maybe downhill to Elizabeth (Mini CBD), we could of had high density hubs above and surrounding Klemzig, Paradise and Modbury, maybe Golden Grove.

In the 90s Transit Link Services were introduced and new good quality MAN buses entered service, new diesel trains and then of course the bus network was privatised.

In the 00s most bus routes are now city based, less crosstown routes. New cheapest buses entered service, I can't blame the State Labor choosing the cheapest buses because maintenence by operators is not the best. We finally got new trams. Tramline got so popular that Patrick Conlon had to buy nearly new never used trams from Europe.

In the 10s we finally got two lines electrified, all metro rail network upgraded, some stations upgraded, new electric trains, the diesel 3000 trains got upgraded, mind you now i think they look like lego trains. The busway got extended. By late 10s decade we have seen cuts to bus services.