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#3271 Post by mawsonguy » Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:18 pm

The plan says that the Pym St - Regency Rd section procurement starts early 2019 and runs until mid 2019. The planning & design starts and runs until the end of 2019. Construction starts at the beginning of 2020 and runs until mid 2022. So it is technically correct to say that it will srat in early 2019 but we probably wont see anything happening on site until 2020. It may be that they are deliberately spinning it out to (a) Get a lower price because not so much stuff will have to be brought in from interstate and (b) Keep local industry going until the next stage of South Rd is ready to start.

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#3272 Post by ChillyPhilly » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:42 pm

SBD wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:09 am
Waewick wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:08 am
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&sour ... 7403426551
Work on a 1.8-kilometre six-lane motorway from Pym Street to Regency Road will begin next year.
Article dated 2018, suggests start 2019.
The "start" of a project like that always depends on who is talking, and what they look at. Is property acquisition and demolition before or after the start? What about engineering design, tendering for construction, detailed design and procurement of equipment? As T2T is showing, the "end" is a bit rubbery too.
I was always under the impression that project completion was December this year (ie this month). Landscaping and minor works were to be the final step of the project.
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#3273 Post by SBD » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:25 am

ChillyPhilly wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:42 pm
SBD wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:09 am
Waewick wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:08 am
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&sour ... 7403426551



Article dated 2018, suggests start 2019.
The "start" of a project like that always depends on who is talking, and what they look at. Is property acquisition and demolition before or after the start? What about engineering design, tendering for construction, detailed design and procurement of equipment? As T2T is showing, the "end" is a bit rubbery too.
I was always under the impression that project completion was December this year (ie this month). Landscaping and minor works were to be the final step of the project.
I suspect it was sloppy use of terms. It had originally been announced as completed at the end of this year I think. But then was announced as ahead of schedule and opening three months early. Perhaps "ahead of schedule" was editorial sloppiness, and it opened for traffic exactly when it was scheduled to open, several months before full project completion.

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#3274 Post by rhino » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:42 am

mawsonguy wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:18 pm
The plan says that the Pym St - Regency Rd section procurement starts early 2019 and runs until mid 2019. The planning & design starts and runs until the end of 2019. Construction starts at the beginning of 2020 and runs until mid 2022. So it is technically correct to say that it will srat in early 2019 but we probably wont see anything happening on site until 2020. It may be that they are deliberately spinning it out to (a) Get a lower price because not so much stuff will have to be brought in from interstate and (b) Keep local industry going until the next stage of South Rd is ready to start.
(c) completed just in time for the March 2021 state election
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#3275 Post by Nort » Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:27 am

rhino wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:42 am
mawsonguy wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:18 pm
The plan says that the Pym St - Regency Rd section procurement starts early 2019 and runs until mid 2019. The planning & design starts and runs until the end of 2019. Construction starts at the beginning of 2020 and runs until mid 2022. So it is technically correct to say that it will srat in early 2019 but we probably wont see anything happening on site until 2020. It may be that they are deliberately spinning it out to (a) Get a lower price because not so much stuff will have to be brought in from interstate and (b) Keep local industry going until the next stage of South Rd is ready to start.
(c) completed just in time for the March 2021 state election
2022 for the next state election, state government has four year terms.

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#3276 Post by rhino » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:19 am

Nort wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:27 am
2022 for the next state election, state government has four year terms.
Oh yeah. Sadly, that does not bode well for this project!
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#3277 Post by rev » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:49 pm

rhino wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:19 am
Nort wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:27 am
2022 for the next state election, state government has four year terms.
Oh yeah. Sadly, that does not bode well for this project!
Why? Both major parties are committed to finishing it aren't they.

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#3278 Post by rhino » Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:02 pm

Yes, but they are known differently for how committed they are to Public Works projects (infrastructure, public transport, hospitals, schools ...). While they have both committed to finishing the North-South Expressway, I believe one party would accomplish it quicker than the other. Just my opinion.
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#3279 Post by claybro » Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:25 pm

rhino wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:02 pm
Yes, but they are known differently for how committed they are to Public Works projects (infrastructure, public transport, hospitals, schools ...). While they have both committed to finishing the North-South Expressway, I believe one party would accomplish it quicker than the other. Just my opinion.
A little unfair given that the former Liberal government completed the Mount barker freeway (including Heysen Tunnels) a massive undertaking given the states finances at the time, and also the Southern Expressway (although only one way)-which contrary to popular lore was only meant to be a stop gap measure as finances allowed at the time. Also retired the Red Hen rail cars and completed rollout of the 3000 series. Also pretty sure the duplication of Pt Wakefield road was completed in that era? Bearing in mind the Rann /Weatherill government was in power for a lot longer, I'm not sure their record is that much better.

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#3280 Post by Waewick » Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:25 pm

rhino wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:42 am
mawsonguy wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:18 pm
The plan says that the Pym St - Regency Rd section procurement starts early 2019 and runs until mid 2019. The planning & design starts and runs until the end of 2019. Construction starts at the beginning of 2020 and runs until mid 2022. So it is technically correct to say that it will srat in early 2019 but we probably wont see anything happening on site until 2020. It may be that they are deliberately spinning it out to (a) Get a lower price because not so much stuff will have to be brought in from interstate and (b) Keep local industry going until the next stage of South Rd is ready to start.
(c) completed just in time for the March 2021 state election
after driving from the new part to the superway, bloody hell I hope it is done.

You forget how bad the South Road /Port Road Intersection was until you drive the Pym Regency Road section, then it comes screaming back at you. :shock:

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#3281 Post by mawsonguy » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:34 pm

Posted on the DPTI FAcebook page on 3 December 2018 at 12noon approx:
Regency Road to Pym Street Community Information Session

This project will connect with the already completed South Road Superway and Torrens Road to River Torrens Project.

Come and meet the project team at the Polonia Adelaide Sports Club 7 Essex Crescent, Croydon Park to learn more:

• Thursday 6 December 2018 6pm to 8pm
• Saturday 8 December 2018 2pm to 4pm

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#3282 Post by SBD » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:54 pm

rhino wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:02 pm
Yes, but they are known differently for how committed they are to Public Works projects (infrastructure, public transport, hospitals, schools ...). While they have both committed to finishing the North-South Expressway, I believe one party would accomplish it quicker than the other. Just my opinion.
Liberal has also noticed that the state extends past the Adelaide urban boundary. I believe that the Port Wakefield intersection and the Joy Baluch Bridge are also on the Liberal agenda, whereas Labor didn't care as nobody drives that far.

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#3283 Post by Norman » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:55 pm

SBD wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:54 pm
rhino wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:02 pm
Yes, but they are known differently for how committed they are to Public Works projects (infrastructure, public transport, hospitals, schools ...). While they have both committed to finishing the North-South Expressway, I believe one party would accomplish it quicker than the other. Just my opinion.
Liberal has also noticed that the state extends past the Adelaide urban boundary. I believe that the Port Wakefield intersection and the Joy Baluch Bridge are also on the Liberal agenda, whereas Labor didn't care as nobody drives that far.
That's not true, Labor put up their share of the money for the Jay Baluch bridge in the budget before the election.

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#3284 Post by baytram366 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:20 am

Noticed on my way to work this morning that the former rug shop the builders were using as a depot has been cleared out and the fences removed on the corner of South and Grange Roads. I wonder what will happen with this building now with all its smashed windows and graffiti...
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