[U/C] North-South Motorway

Threads relating to transport, water, etc. within the CBD and Metropolitan area.
Message
Author
Nort
Legendary Member!
Posts: 957
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:08 pm
Has thanked: 163 times
Been thanked: 109 times

[U/C] Re: North-South Motorway

#3541 Post by Nort » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:51 am

With all this discussion on how many lanes Gallipoli Underpass needs to be, does anyone know the traffic volumes the underpass currently sees compared to the rest of South Road? Given the amount of entering and exiting traffic I wouldn't be surprised if the underpass sees less traffic passing through it.

Mr Messy
Gold-Member ;)
Posts: 69
Joined: Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:55 pm
Been thanked: 14 times

[U/C] Re: North-South Motorway

#3542 Post by Mr Messy » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:56 am

North of underpass: 46k
In underpass: 36k
South of underpass: 51k

Source: LocationSA (2017 data)

User avatar
Norman
Donating Member
Donating Member
Posts: 5519
Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:06 pm
Has thanked: 725 times
Been thanked: 1198 times

[U/C] [U/C] Re: North-South Motorway

#3543 Post by Norman » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:00 pm

A new video has been posted by DPTI showing the journey from Tonsley to Flinders Drive.

https://youtu.be/A1cAjoM-c_A

And Ayliffes Road to Southern Expressway

https://youtu.be/wIUhogWAHGU

Nort
Legendary Member!
Posts: 957
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:08 pm
Has thanked: 163 times
Been thanked: 109 times

[U/C] Re: North-South Motorway

#3544 Post by Nort » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:56 pm

Mr Messy wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:56 am
North of underpass: 46k
In underpass: 36k
South of underpass: 51k

Source: LocationSA (2017 data)
Thanks. That implies that the underpass see's 2/3 to 3/4 of the traffic compared to other nearby sections. That would likely imply that while 2 lanes either direction is low for a freeway, it's unlikely to be a major bottleneck if those other sections are only 3 lanes.

claybro
Super Size Scraper Poster!
Posts: 1847
Joined: Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:16 pm
Has thanked: 44 times
Been thanked: 184 times

[U/C] Re: North-South Motorway

#3545 Post by claybro » Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:53 pm

Nort wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:56 pm
Mr Messy wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:56 am
North of underpass: 46k
In underpass: 36k
South of underpass: 51k

Source: LocationSA (2017 data)
Thanks. That implies that the underpass see's 2/3 to 3/4 of the traffic compared to other nearby sections. That would likely imply that while 2 lanes either direction is low for a freeway, it's unlikely to be a major bottleneck if those other sections are only 3 lanes.
That is with current traffic volumes. Given this section of the motorway wont be operational for a least a decade, and there will be some induced demand, it would surely be best to keep the middle sections 3 lanes? Comparisons with the southern Expressway are not really relevant, as it carries mostly private car traffic, and not so much freight. Trucks trying to merge is not ideal.

User avatar
phenom
High Rise Poster!
Posts: 416
Joined: Wed May 16, 2007 1:12 pm
Location: Adelaide CBD
Has thanked: 387 times
Been thanked: 104 times

[U/C] Re: [U/C] Re: North-South Motorway

#3546 Post by phenom » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:56 pm

Norman wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:00 pm
A new video has been posted by DPTI showing the journey from Tonsley to Flinders Drive.

https://youtu.be/A1cAjoM-c_A

And Ayliffes Road to Southern Expressway

https://youtu.be/wIUhogWAHGU
Interesting that they deleted the Ayliffes Road to Southern Expressway video at some point today - it was there earlier but it's now unavailable. I didn't see anything too controversial about it so I don't know why they took it off... hopefully comes back on soon though.

On a positive note I'm almost happy to see DPTI no longer allow comments on their videos - it was getting very AdelaideNow style of deliberate idiocy on almost every video.

SBD
Legendary Member!
Posts: 823
Joined: Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:49 pm
Location: Blakeview
Has thanked: 244 times
Been thanked: 67 times

[U/C] Re: North-South Motorway

#3547 Post by SBD » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:27 pm

claybro wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:53 pm
Nort wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:56 pm
Mr Messy wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:56 am
North of underpass: 46k
In underpass: 36k
South of underpass: 51k

Source: LocationSA (2017 data)
Thanks. That implies that the underpass see's 2/3 to 3/4 of the traffic compared to other nearby sections. That would likely imply that while 2 lanes either direction is low for a freeway, it's unlikely to be a major bottleneck if those other sections are only 3 lanes.
That is with current traffic volumes. Given this section of the motorway wont be operational for a least a decade, and there will be some induced demand, it would surely be best to keep the middle sections 3 lanes? Comparisons with the southern Expressway are not really relevant, as it carries mostly private car traffic, and not so much freight. Trucks trying to merge is not ideal.
I have no experience in traffic engineering, nor any knowledge of hypothetical plans for the future around this section, but perhaps two lanes through the underpass is "better"...

Almost a third of current traffic uses the off/on ramps. I see no good reason to expect that proportion to change. The available distance to merge (either way) before "left lane must exit" and after "additional lane entering" is much longer than the space for a warm-up lane for vehicles to merge into three free-flowing lanes before the speedup lane ends.

My experience is that my local shopping centre has a left turn warmup lane into an 80km/h zone (there is a main exit with traffic lights, this one is extra, after those lights). I frequently find cars stopped at the end of the lane because they failed to match a gap in the passing traffic in time.

SBD
Legendary Member!
Posts: 823
Joined: Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:49 pm
Location: Blakeview
Has thanked: 244 times
Been thanked: 67 times

[U/C] Re: [U/C] Re: North-South Motorway

#3548 Post by SBD » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:33 pm

phenom wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:56 pm
Norman wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:00 pm
A new video has been posted by DPTI showing the journey from Tonsley to Flinders Drive.

https://youtu.be/A1cAjoM-c_A

And Ayliffes Road to Southern Expressway

https://youtu.be/wIUhogWAHGU
Interesting that they deleted the Ayliffes Road to Southern Expressway video at some point today - it was there earlier but it's now unavailable. I didn't see anything too controversial about it so I don't know why they took it off... hopefully comes back on soon though.

On a positive note I'm almost happy to see DPTI no longer allow comments on their videos - it was getting very AdelaideNow style of deliberate idiocy on almost every video.
I saw both videos at lunchtime, but the second one is now unavailable. I thought I saw one of them fly through a red light, but can't see it in the remaining one, and the other one was mostly expressway so wouldn't have had traffic lights.

Nort
Legendary Member!
Posts: 957
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:08 pm
Has thanked: 163 times
Been thanked: 109 times

[U/C] Re: North-South Motorway

#3549 Post by Nort » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:03 pm

claybro wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:53 pm
Nort wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:56 pm
Mr Messy wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:56 am
North of underpass: 46k
In underpass: 36k
South of underpass: 51k

Source: LocationSA (2017 data)
Thanks. That implies that the underpass see's 2/3 to 3/4 of the traffic compared to other nearby sections. That would likely imply that while 2 lanes either direction is low for a freeway, it's unlikely to be a major bottleneck if those other sections are only 3 lanes.
That is with current traffic volumes. Given this section of the motorway wont be operational for a least a decade, and there will be some induced demand, it would surely be best to keep the middle sections 3 lanes? Comparisons with the southern Expressway are not really relevant, as it carries mostly private car traffic, and not so much freight. Trucks trying to merge is not ideal.
That's why I asked about proportions of traffic. Either way there will be merging whether it's traffic in the left lane merging so as to not leave if the underpass is 2 lanes, or traffic merging as it enters if the underpass is 3 lanes. From a safety perspective it would seem to me like the former is safer as there can be more notice and time for traffic to prepare.

Listy
Gold-Member ;)
Posts: 59
Joined: Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:07 pm
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 14 times

[U/C] Re: [U/C] Re: North-South Motorway

#3550 Post by Listy » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:57 pm

SBD wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:33 pm
phenom wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:56 pm
Norman wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:00 pm
A new video has been posted by DPTI showing the journey from Tonsley to Flinders Drive.

https://youtu.be/A1cAjoM-c_A

And Ayliffes Road to Southern Expressway

https://youtu.be/wIUhogWAHGU
Interesting that they deleted the Ayliffes Road to Southern Expressway video at some point today - it was there earlier but it's now unavailable. I didn't see anything too controversial about it so I don't know why they took it off... hopefully comes back on soon though.

On a positive note I'm almost happy to see DPTI no longer allow comments on their videos - it was getting very AdelaideNow style of deliberate idiocy on almost every video.
I saw both videos at lunchtime, but the second one is now unavailable. I thought I saw one of them fly through a red light, but can't see it in the remaining one, and the other one was mostly expressway so wouldn't have had traffic lights.
I saw the clips earlier today too - In the second video the camera definitely ran a red light right at the beginning as it crossed Shepherds Hill Rd - I watched it twice to be sure! :)

User avatar
Norman
Donating Member
Donating Member
Posts: 5519
Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:06 pm
Has thanked: 725 times
Been thanked: 1198 times

[U/C] Re: North-South Motorway

#3551 Post by Norman » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:47 pm

Vegetation works at T2T have started.

Ser Noit of Loit
High Rise Poster!
Posts: 199
Joined: Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:12 pm
Has thanked: 57 times
Been thanked: 81 times

[U/C] Re: North-South Motorway

#3552 Post by Ser Noit of Loit » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:17 pm

Looking into the trench from Sturt Road. It's a lot wider than I expected.

Image

Image

User avatar
[Shuz]
Super Size Scraper Poster!
Posts: 2518
Joined: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:26 pm
Has thanked: 857 times
Been thanked: 237 times

[U/C] Re: North-South Motorway

#3553 Post by [Shuz] » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:35 am

It's wider because it accommodates 4 lanes each way, plus merging lanes.
Any views and opinions expressed are of my own, and do not reflect the views or opinions of any organisation of which I have an affiliation with.

SBD
Legendary Member!
Posts: 823
Joined: Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:49 pm
Location: Blakeview
Has thanked: 244 times
Been thanked: 67 times

[U/C] Re: North-South Motorway

#3554 Post by SBD » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:51 am

[Shuz] wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:35 am
It's wider because it accommodates 4 lanes each way, plus merging lanes.
The three-year-old concept video has five lanes northbound and four lanes southbound just south of Sturt Road. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR3GQvwUKEI

The video that was up on Wednesday but now removed would show a better indication of what is actually being built.

Furyan
Sen-Rookie-Sational
Posts: 16
Joined: Wed May 09, 2018 2:18 pm
Been thanked: 3 times

[U/C] Re: North-South Motorway

#3555 Post by Furyan » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:53 pm

Yesterday a second watermain has burst in only a week and caused havoc on the same unfunded section of this North - South Corridor at Melrose Park.

With the closure of 2 of the 4 lanes, in the peak period, cars queued for kilometers and businesses were also affected.

Repairs took over 12 hours. :wallbash:

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Majestic-12 [Bot] and 6 guests