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#3856 Post by SBD » Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:17 pm


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#3857 Post by Mr Messy » Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:25 pm

Yeah but that has Labor germs

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#3858 Post by SBD » Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:33 pm

from page 26

Lowered road (South of Ashwin Parade to North of Anzac Highway)
 Predominantly residential area;
 Cut and cover tunnel under James Congdon Drive minimises land acquisition of adjacent
businesses;
 Short tunnel at Sir Donald Bradman Drive is required to minimise footprint of the intersection and not impact state heritage buildings;
 Short tunnel at Henley Beach Road minimises land acquisition in the area and eliminates the need to encroach on St George College.
Labor germs or not, they should both look past the politics to find the best solution. Tom K sounded more like he just doesn’t want a freeway built through his electorate on any design, but was still happy to snipe at Liberal for it not being finished yet. :shock:

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#3859 Post by SRW » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:32 pm

I'm sure it's just a little bit of sensationalism from NewsCorp, although admittedly now repeated across the ABC and InDaily. There'd be protests of a scale we haven't seen for decades if the Thebby seriously came under threat. That alone probably guarantees a tunnel through the area concerned.
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#3860 Post by SouthAussie94 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:05 pm

The ABC article mentions that two schools may need to be acquired to make way, yet didn't name them. Did the News Corp article mention school names?
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#3861 Post by croweater888 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:14 pm

SouthAussie94 wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:05 pm
The ABC article mentions that two schools may need to be acquired to make way, yet didn't name them. Did the News Corp article mention school names?
Yes, Richmond Primary School and Kilmara Primary/Convent, in a picture at the bottom of the printed article.

I agree with the earlier sentiment, this NEWS article is a load of sensationalist, speculative claptrap.

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#3862 Post by aceman » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:23 pm

contracts awarded on Friday for pym to Regency

https://dpti.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pd ... elease.pdf

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#3863 Post by Nort » Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:19 am

croweater888 wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:14 pm
SouthAussie94 wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:05 pm
The ABC article mentions that two schools may need to be acquired to make way, yet didn't name them. Did the News Corp article mention school names?
Yes, Richmond Primary School and Kilmara Primary/Convent, in a picture at the bottom of the printed article.

I agree with the earlier sentiment, this NEWS article is a load of sensationalist, speculative claptrap.
Just imagine the backlash if they demolished Richmond Primary after also zoning that area out of Adelaide High.

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#3864 Post by muzzamo » Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:34 am

AdelaideNow wrote:A 220m section of shoddy concrete between two pieces that dramatically dropped off the South Rd Darlington Upgrade will be totally replaced, possibly as soon as today.

The State Government has confirmed that works will start this week, weather permitting, to take down the existing shotcrete between two sections which “slumped” in May.

Large “soil nails” will then be driven into the embankment for additional stability, before a new sheeting of spray-on concrete is layered back over the top to finish the job.

Acting Transport Minister David Speirs expects the re-concreting work to be finished by the end of the year, which had been the longstanding opening date for the $620 million project.

Inspections are also being carried out on the strength of other parts of the Darlington Upgrade walls, but there is not understood to have been any weaknesses detected so far.

Mr Speirs said: “Investigation and remediation works have been ongoing for a number of weeks, and we are seeing continued remediation works this week”.

“We are getting on with the job of fixing this issue as quickly and responsibly as possible,” he said. “Our priority is to finish the Darlington project and open up more lanes to traffic so people can get to work and home faster.”

A rainwater drain or natural water course not identified during planning has been blamed for both collapses. The Government says the fix coming this week will be a comprehensive treatment that works, regardless of the source of the suspect water.

Costs associated with works undertaken on site have been borne by the contractor.

Last month, a parliamentary committee heard that 2m of standing water had been found in a trench behind where the motorway walls had collapsed. The fight over who is ultimately financially responsible, the contractor or taxpayer, appeared headed to the courts.

The upgrade was first announced by the former Labor state government, after the bulk of the funding was committed by the federal Coalition as part of a non-stop South Rd plan.

When opened, it will deliver an upgrade of about 3.3km to the existing Main South Rd, including a non-stop motorway between the Southern Expressway and Tonsley Blvd. The project also features a lowered, non-stop motorway passing underneath Flinders Drive, Sturt Rd, Sutton Rd and Mimosa Tce and Tonsley Blvd. A non-stop ride from Gawler to Old Noarlunga, when the South Rd freeway is finished, is still many years away.
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#3865 Post by PD2/20 » Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:52 am

muzzamo wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:34 am
A 220m section of shoddy concrete between two pieces that dramatically dropped off the South Rd Darlington Upgrade will be totally replaced, possibly as soon as today.

The State Government has confirmed that works will start this week, weather permitting, to take down the existing shotcrete between two sections which “slumped” in May.

Large “soil nails” will then be driven into the embankment for additional stability, before a new sheeting of spray-on concrete is layered back over the top to finish the job.

Acting Transport Minister David Speirs expects the re-concreting work to be finished by the end of the year, which had been the longstanding opening date for the $620 million project.

Inspections are also being carried out on the strength of other parts of the Darlington Upgrade walls, but there is not understood to have been any weaknesses detected so far.

Mr Speirs said: “Investigation and remediation works have been ongoing for a number of weeks, and we are seeing continued remediation works this week”.

“We are getting on with the job of fixing this issue as quickly and responsibly as possible,” he said. “Our priority is to finish the Darlington project and open up more lanes to traffic so people can get to work and home faster.”

A rainwater drain or natural water course not identified during planning has been blamed for both collapses. The Government says the fix coming this week will be a comprehensive treatment that works, regardless of the source of the suspect water.

Costs associated with works undertaken on site have been borne by the contractor.

Last month, a parliamentary committee heard that 2m of standing water had been found in a trench behind where the motorway walls had collapsed. The fight over who is ultimately financially responsible, the contractor or taxpayer, appeared headed to the courts.

The upgrade was first announced by the former Labor state government, after the bulk of the funding was committed by the federal Coalition as part of a non-stop South Rd plan.

When opened, it will deliver an upgrade of about 3.3km to the existing Main South Rd, including a non-stop motorway between the Southern Expressway and Tonsley Blvd. The project also features a lowered, non-stop motorway passing underneath Flinders Drive, Sturt Rd, Sutton Rd and Mimosa Tce and Tonsley Blvd. A non-stop ride from Gawler to Old Noarlunga, when the South Rd freeway is finished, is still many years away.
What is the source? Is this a DPTI press release or is it a news story?

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#3866 Post by rev » Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:13 pm

SRW wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:32 pm
There'd be protests of a scale we haven't seen for decades if the Thebby seriously came under threat.
There wouldn't. The people that care about this sort of stuff are a minority. The majority of South Australians couldn't give a stuff about the Thebby theater or any other 'heritage' building along that route being demolished, certainly not enough for them to protest in the streets about anyway on a scale you think they would.
There is a petition going around at the moment though.

Tunnels option is best imo.

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#3867 Post by Brucetiki » Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:35 pm

SRW wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:32 pm
I'm sure it's just a little bit of sensationalism from NewsCorp, although admittedly now repeated across the ABC and InDaily. There'd be protests of a scale we haven't seen for decades if the Thebby seriously came under threat. That alone probably guarantees a tunnel through the area concerned.
The howls of protest about Thebby going are hilarious.

Thebby is a dive (not helped by it being neglected by Weslo). It's probably due for demolition regardless of whether it's affected by Motorway works anyway.

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#3868 Post by SRW » Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:04 pm

This is all subjective. None of us has any real clue how it'd play out, but the fact that 35,000 people have signed a petition in less than 24 hours based on nothing more than a NewsCorp beat up suggests the well of opposition runs deep. It'll get much louder if it were seriously threatened (especially given many prominent voices with a connection to the theatre who'd have something to say). I can't see the Liberals tempting that.
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#3869 Post by ChillyPhilly » Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:12 pm

I had some fun with Paint and had a crack at how a tunnel under Henley Beach Road could work. It's pretty crude, so if anyone wants to redo it in CAD, feel free.

On such an alignment as this, less than a dozen heritage properties would be affected - and these are only classified as 'contributory' (all in a row to the immediate north of Thebarton Theatre), with one being classified as local heritage (at the southern end of this map). Even then, it's possible to lengthen the 'tunnel' at either opening to reduce this impact on heritage structures even further.

Thebarton Theatre and St George College are unaffected.

You can view heritage properties here: http://location.sa.gov.au/viewer/?map=h ... =&pinText=

It almost feels like the Torrens Junction project in road form - a deep, low-lying trench that is never long enough to be legally classified as a 'tunnel'.

What do you think of this?

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#3870 Post by claybro » Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:57 pm

ChillyPhilly wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:12 pm
I had some fun with Paint and had a crack at how a tunnel under Henley Beach Road could work. It's pretty crude, so if anyone wants to redo it in CAD, feel free.

On such an alignment as this, less than a dozen heritage properties would be affected - and these are only classified as 'contributory' (all in a row to the immediate north of Thebarton Theatre), with one being classified as local heritage (at the southern end of this map). Even then, it's possible to lengthen the 'tunnel' at either opening to reduce this impact on heritage structures even further.

Thebarton Theatre and St George College are unaffected.

You can view heritage properties here: http://location.sa.gov.au/viewer/?map=h ... =&pinText=

It almost feels like the Torrens Junction project in road form - a deep, low-lying trench that is never long enough to be legally classified as a 'tunnel'.

What do you think of this?

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Full size: https://i.imgur.com/UeAX4FT.png
Kind of how I thought it might end up. Most of the "heritage" affected is housing with this approach, and so no significant public buildings. The main corner remains largely intact. I'm a bit confused with your southern approach though- it looks overly complicated. There are properties on the eastern side, South of HBR that could easily go if extra width there is required there, with no real heritage value.

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