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#3931 Post by Llessur2002 » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:56 am

Pistol wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:39 pm
Are those poles at Grange, Port and Torrens actually finished? Is that honestly the best they could do?
I have a feeling that these might be work in progress. We received an update a little while ago to say that anti-throw screens were due to be installed at the bridges. These would have been designed before the rock throwing incidents of a few months back so I wonder if they've not bothered finishing them as they'll need to be redesigned to accommodate the screens in the near future.

I don't really mind the poles, they'res better than nothing and they do help to break up what would otherwise be a flat and featureless void in an otherwise built up area - although I agree they could have been much better. Same as with much of the T2T urban design - it is average at best and has an unfinished quality about it.

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#3932 Post by bits » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:35 am


rev wrote: Aren't the overhead signs how you get a bearing of where you are? Besides in this day and age most modern cars have inbuilt GPS or aftermarket units, and everyone has a mobile with google/apple maps.

NEXY, SEXY, PREXY, SE Freeway...there is uniformity on all of them.
Large landmarks work better for instant bearing than road name signs.
SEXY has distinctive bridge designs/colours for each bridge/hills, PREXY has dumps/wetlands/bridges, NEXY has defence/hills/airport/buildings, SE Freeway has hills/bridges etc.
Superway has coloured poles, wave wall, multicoloured wall etc, all are unrelated in style.
None of these roads are a surrounding of repeating manmade structure.
The limited distance for large landmarks to occur in a trench or raised road means you need to be very creative with the little you have to play with.

SEXY had bridge numbers added to help people quickly identify bridges rocks were being thrown from.
Those bridges had names on them and street signs leading up to most of them. Street names are a poor way finding mark unless you are alert and expecting that road at that point in time. Street name signs require complex language processing to seperate what is relatively small size and all look exactly the same.

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#3933 Post by Spotto » Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:37 pm

rev wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:37 am
bits wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:22 pm
You do not want 50km of road to look the same.
It would be boring and makes it difficult to get a bearing of where you are.

Every section should feel unique.
It will keep drivers more alert and make for less people missing their turn off.
Aren't the overhead signs how you get a bearing of where you are? Besides in this day and age most modern cars have inbuilt GPS or aftermarket units, and everyone has a mobile with google/apple maps.

NEXY, SEXY, PREXY, SE Freeway...there is uniformity on all of them.
Visual cues for wayfinding are always useful aids. Plus it will break up the monotony of the entire length of the North-South Corridor.

One such example, the new Sydney Metro stations. The underground city stations are each "colour-coded" with accent glass (i.e. Kellyville is highlighter yellow, Hills Showground is a deep orange, Rouse Hill is bright green).

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#3934 Post by Brucetiki » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:32 pm

Spotto wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:37 pm
rev wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:37 am
bits wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:22 pm
You do not want 50km of road to look the same.
It would be boring and makes it difficult to get a bearing of where you are.

Every section should feel unique.
It will keep drivers more alert and make for less people missing their turn off.
Aren't the overhead signs how you get a bearing of where you are? Besides in this day and age most modern cars have inbuilt GPS or aftermarket units, and everyone has a mobile with google/apple maps.

NEXY, SEXY, PREXY, SE Freeway...there is uniformity on all of them.
Visual cues for wayfinding are always useful aids. Plus it will break up the monotony of the entire length of the North-South Corridor.

One such example, the new Sydney Metro stations. The underground city stations are each "colour-coded" with accent glass (i.e. Kellyville is highlighter yellow, Hills Showground is a deep orange, Rouse Hill is bright green).
The Eastern Suburbs rail line initially had each station with a distinctive colour scheme too. With the exception of Town Hall, most of the other stations on the line have kept some of their colour scheme from 1979.

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#3935 Post by aaronjameslange » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:07 pm

Noticed tonight the large gum trees at regency park tafe are coming down ready for r2p. And only a handful of businesses to be demolished. Pretty much all the residential buildings along the corridor have been levelled

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#3936 Post by aceman » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:17 pm

yeah noticed so much of it leveled when I ventured north a couple of weeks ago. it's quite a short stretch compared to what's been done elsewhere so far. does anyone know whether the larger businesses on the western side near Regency road will be affected? makin mattresses etc? or will the design leave them intact?

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#3937 Post by ChillyPhilly » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:09 am

aceman wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:17 pm
yeah noticed so much of it leveled when I ventured north a couple of weeks ago. it's quite a short stretch compared to what's been done elsewhere so far. does anyone know whether the larger businesses on the western side near Regency road will be affected? makin mattresses etc? or will the design leave them intact?
They were untouched according to the draft plan.
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#3938 Post by mattwinter » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:15 am

Well done to whoever threw this idea out there a few pages back...
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/messenge ... 5977c1f0b5

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SA Freight Council calls for tunnel under Springfield foothills to funnel trucks from the Freeway to South Rd

A tunnel under the foothills behind Springfield should be built as part of a link between the South East Freeway and South Rd, the SA Freight Council says.

When the North-South Corridor is completed, trucks will want to head straight for that route rather than weaving through the eastern suburbs, council chief executive Evan Knapp said.

“The North South Corridor is going to be transformational,” he said.

“It’s going to change everything.

“Freight and other traffic is definitely going to move off Portrush Rd and go down Cross Rd to get to that high-speed corridor as fast as possible.

“That’s going to happen whether we like it or not.”

With rail level crossings, schools, houses and businesses on an already busy Cross Rd, it would need an expensive upgrade, Mr Knapp said.

In a submission to Infrastructure SA’s 20-year strategic plan, the SA Freight Council proposes an alternative to the Cross Rd option.

Its South East Link route would tunnel from the arrester bed at the last downhill corner of the SE Freeway, under the foothills to emerge near the Carrick Hill estate and Brownhill Creek.

The link would connect to Springbank and Daws roads and through to South Rd.

Mr Knapp acknowledged the project would likely cost billions of dollars and there would be complex elements such as bridging Brownhill Creek and getting to Springbank Rd.

“But there are real benefits,” he said.

“It would take the nastiest part out of the SE Freeway (the intersection with Portrush, Glen Osmond and Cross roads where there have been several fatalities). That would deliver significant safety benefits.

“It’s also about the cost-benefit ratio. It would deliver great benefits for all the southern suburbs as well.”

Military support has been called in to hunt for Bryer Schmegelsky and Kam McLeod.
The proposal would also address many of the traffic and safety issues which led to the Globelink air-rail-road freight hub which the Liberal Party took to last year’s election.

“We don’t see Globelink as a priority,” Mr Knapp said.

“But the SE Link is ideally placed to be part of a revised Globelink.”

The Freight Council submission to Infrastructure SA ranks more than 40 projects or issues as urgent, high priority, future or subject-to-demand.

Council chairman Phil Baker said transport and logistics were crucial for economic and community development.

“Efficient, effective and productive infrastructure delivers a competitive advantage that as a state and nation we cannot afford to ignore,” Mr Baker said.

Urgent projects focus on safety — such as upgrading Eyre Peninsula roads because of the cessation of grain trains — and efficiency — such as developing the eastern flank of Adelaide Airport as a dedicated freight zone accessed from Richmond Rd.

High priority projects should be addressed within 5 to ten years.

This included breaking through the impasse on a deepwater port in the Spencer Gulf for mineral and grain exports.

“We do need Government leadership to assist industry in placing that port,” Mr Knapp said.

Future projects included rail upgrades so trains can double-stack containers and duplicating the Swanport Bridge at Murray Bridge.

Beyond specific projects, the council wants governments to consider looming impacts of technology.

Heavy vehicle “platooning” — where trucks travel close to each guided by electronic links and anti-collision systems — offered safety and cost benefits if managed properly.

The growing interest in deliveries by drone of small parcels and fast foods like pizza required planning for safe air corridors.

“It’s something we need to think about now so we’re not impacting on airspace required for airports,” Mr Knapp said.

“This will evolve over time.”

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#3939 Post by SBD » Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:51 am

Ultimately, i think that something like this and something like GlobeLink will both be required. The realities of cost mean that North-South Motorway, this connection to the SE Freeway and an east-of-the-hills rail and road bypass cannot all be constructed at once.

The Torrens-to-Cross Road section of the NS motorway will trigger the Freight Council's observation of traffic switching from Portrush to Cross Road, if it hasn't already.

Upgrading the hills railway line to support double-stacking would be expensive, and still leave a winding, indirect, steep railway. The GlobeLink Rail component is probably more expensive, but maybe not ridiculously more expensive except that it can't be done piecemeal.

The GlobeLink road can be done as a number of smaller pieces which can be prioritised. The demise of grain on rail from the Mallee and Riverland has led to road trains on the Sturt Highway. A Truro bypass and extending the dual carriageway that currently ends near Nuriootpa out to past Truro would increase Sturt Highway safety as well as being a start on Globelink from that end. Road trains are presently allowed to enter Murray Bridge from both north and south, but are not allowed to cross the railway line. With Thomas Foods International building a new abattoir it would make sense to provide the possibility of road train access from the Dukes Highway/South Eastern Freeway. This could be the beginning of a southern end of the Globelink Road. It would need a plan for how to link the ends together, especially for the small communities on the present freight route.

Freight will move to the mode and route that is available, cheapest and most efficient.

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#3940 Post by Patrick_27 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:26 pm

So essentially the S/E Freeway would be diverted and extended? With that last little bit of the existing freeway (by the toll gate) just becoming an access road for traffic coming off of Cross and Portrush Road(s)?

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#3941 Post by aceman » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:19 am

can't see this happening for another 30 years minimum. once the NS motorway is complete all the trucks coming off the SE freeway will go straight down cross road. no point them going onto portrush road. then we'll have the next major bottleneck especially at the Belair line crossing. make yourself comfortable when the goods train passes.

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#3942 Post by SBD » Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:01 am

aceman wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:19 am
can't see this happening for another 30 years minimum. once the NS motorway is complete all the trucks coming off the SE freeway will go straight down cross road. no point them going onto portrush road. then we'll have the next major bottleneck especially at the Belair line crossing. make yourself comfortable when the goods train passes.
Maybe it can be a Labor election promise in 2022 - finish the N-S Motorway that Labor started and Liberal have not done anything about (conveniently fail to mention the Regency Road overpass) and initiate a study about the best route/technology to connect the SE Freeway to the NS motorway and point out that once we have that, there would be no need for Liberal's GlobeLink pipedream.

Liberal could counter with the progress they HAVE made on the NS corridor (Regency Park, fixing Labor mistakes at Darlington (despite it not being a government thing) and hopefully initiating works on the middle bit. Its forward plan could include GlobeLink rail to get freight trains off the Hills Corridor, duplicate Swanport Bridge, add bypasses for Murray Bridge and Truro.

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#3943 Post by Spotto » Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:15 am

SBD wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:01 am
Maybe it can be a Labor election promise in 2022 - finish the N-S Motorway that Labor started and Liberal have not done anything about (conveniently fail to mention the Regency Road overpass) and initiate a study about the best route/technology to connect the SE Freeway to the NS motorway and point out that once we have that, there would be no need for Liberal's GlobeLink pipedream.
If this state wasn’t so hopeless at forward planning, we’d be planning the Torrens to Darlington AND Cross Road or (South East Link) upgrades at the same time and have the projects overlap so that both get finished within 6-12 months of each other. We can’t afford to finish NSM then drag our feet while traffic going from SEF to NSM clogs Cross Road.

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#3944 Post by SRW » Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:19 am

If this is a preferred option, it makes you wonder what would be needed at the Daws, Goodwood and Springbank junction currently being worked on. You'd imagine there'd be a fair amount of traffic heading to the SE Freeway from Fiveash/Ayliffes, not just South Road. This is what forward planning should be about.
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#3945 Post by Eurostar » Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:31 am

aceman wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:19 am
can't see this happening for another 30 years minimum. once the NS motorway is complete all the trucks coming off the SE freeway will go straight down cross road. no point them going onto portrush road. then we'll have the next major bottleneck especially at the Belair line crossing. make yourself comfortable when the goods train passes.
In my opinion trucks will continue to use A17 (Portrush Road/Hampstead Road) and A16 (Grand Junction Road). On Cross Road there is 2 level crossings, time is money a truck driver can not afford to be held up by freight trains and commuter trains.

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