[U/C] M2 North-South Motorway

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[U/C] Re: M2 North-South Motorway

#4666 Post by Eurostar » Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:22 am

Goodsy wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:34 pm
R2P seems to be moving at a blistering pace
Of course so SA Liberal's Stephen Marshall or Knoll can cut the ribbon prior to 2022 State Election

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#4667 Post by crawf » Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:24 pm

Eurostar wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:22 am
Goodsy wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:34 pm
R2P seems to be moving at a blistering pace
Of course so SA Liberal's Stephen Marshall or Knoll can cut the ribbon prior to 2022 State Election
No different to when Labor was in power.

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#4668 Post by ChillyPhilly » Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:26 pm

crawf wrote:
Eurostar wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:22 am
Goodsy wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:34 pm
R2P seems to be moving at a blistering pace
Of course so SA Liberal's Stephen Marshall or Knoll can cut the ribbon prior to 2022 State Election
No different to when Labor was in power.
To be fair, until 2018 the Liberals weren't able to start any new projects for sixteen years.
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#4669 Post by Saltwater » Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:11 am

In regards to the politics of the announcements, remember many on the western side of South Road already have it in for the current government after re-zoning the AHS / ABHS zones last year.

We live in hope an announcement on the remainder of the project is imminent. Projects like this will always be phased to coincide with election cycles. Given the significance of South Road we can hope federal politics may come into play as well, perhaps an announcement of more fed govt funds being tipped in to get the project over the line, and releasing state funds that could be used on other projects throughout SA. Personally I'd like to see a realignment of the Marion Road / Holbrooks Road, and Holbrooks Road / East Ave intersections, given any construction activity along South Road will shift a significant amount of traffic onto Marion Road .

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#4670 Post by SBD » Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:32 am

Saltwater wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:11 am
In regards to the politics of the announcements, remember many on the western side of South Road already have it in for the current government after re-zoning the AHS / ABHS zones last year.

We live in hope an announcement on the remainder of the project is imminent. Projects like this will always be phased to coincide with election cycles. Given the significance of South Road we can hope federal politics may come into play as well, perhaps an announcement of more fed govt funds being tipped in to get the project over the line, and releasing state funds that could be used on other projects throughout SA. Personally I'd like to see a realignment of the Marion Road / Holbrooks Road, and Holbrooks Road / East Ave intersections, given any construction activity along South Road will shift a significant amount of traffic onto Marion Road .
widening the northern end of Holbrooks Road and the intersection on Grange Road to East Avenue might be tractable. Aligning the southern end to meet Marion Road across Henley Beach Road looks like a major acquisition and road building exercise, and quite complex since it is also a route to the airport. I doubt the commuters of Henley Beach Road would really want that scale of roadworks there, then as soon as it's finished, another lot of disruption at South Road.

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#4671 Post by Spotto » Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:00 pm

SBD wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:32 am
widening the northern end of Holbrooks Road and the intersection on Grange Road to East Avenue might be tractable. Aligning the southern end to meet Marion Road across Henley Beach Road looks like a major acquisition and road building exercise, and quite complex since it is also a route to the airport. I doubt the commuters of Henley Beach Road would really want that scale of roadworks there, then as soon as it's finished, another lot of disruption at South Road.
It may be major but it will be necessary not just for the South Road upgrade. Lots of traffic will want to avoid South Road during the works and the most desirable alternative route is via Marion Road. The bonus is it will still be useful after South Road is (one day) complete, it's a long term investment.

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#4672 Post by rev » Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:23 am

If they're going to mess with other major roads nearby, it should be Sir Donald Bradman Drive between the Airport and City.

An overpass from the airport heading east onto SDBD
Middle lanes over Marion rd
Bagott/Brooker through traffic across SDBD removed
There'll probably be an interchange at NSM, so continue that on to West Tce
Overpass over James Congdon Drive
All right hand turns from the middle removed, but most other aide street access maintained.

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#4673 Post by Saltwater » Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:56 pm

I understand the reasoning for streamlining SDB, but the Bagot / Brooker intersection has the council chambers, library, playground and Cowandilla school on one side, and Hilton Plaza woolies on the other. Loads of people cross that intersection daily, it’s not really one that can be cut in half without significant local objection.

The upgrade of Richmond Rd I thought was meant to take at least some of the airport freight traffic away when air traffic does return to normal levels? And if HBR does end up getting grade separated to the NSM, that would be another alternate route for airport passengers into the city

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#4674 Post by rev » Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:06 pm

Underground testing to begin on North-South corridor, amid concerns projects are in the slow lane
Matt Smith, Political Editor, The Advertiser
July 19, 2020 8:00pm
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Underground engineering experts will start probing along the final stretch of the North-South Corridor within weeks, as part of the final steps in determining how to finish the state’s largest ever road infrastructure project.

Geotechnical on-site investigations are expected to begin in August, across about 130 test sites, which have been carefully chosen to minimise impacts to motorists, businesses and residents.

The works will add weight to speculation the State Government is looking at multiple tunnels to finish the most difficult, final 10.5km stretch of the North-South Corridor.

But it also confirms a decision on the State Government’s favoured option, which was expected by mid 2020, is still months away, as the Opposition launches a campaign raising concerns about the slow progress of infrastructure projects across the state.

Transport Minister Stephan Knoll told The Advertiser the number and location of test sites were designed to assess the geotechnical and hydrogeological conditions of a wide area, and gain a comprehensive picture of the underlying soil and groundwater environment.

He stressed the locations did not necessarily correspond to areas that would be impacted by the final design.

“This geotechnical work will help provide more detail about the viability of tunnels now we have put them back on the agenda after Labor ruled them out when they were in government,” he said.

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Meanwhile, Opposition Leader Peter Malinauskas launched a new “infrastructure report card” on Sunday, outlining a number of projects that had stalled or been scrapped since Premier Steven Marshall took office.

The list includes the pre-election spruiked GlobeLink project, which would have included a freight only airport at Monarto, and points to the North-South Corridor as an example of stalled projects.

“Steven Marshall and Stephan Knoll have continually missed self-imposed deadlines, and promises to release planning studies, designs and business cases for the state’s biggest projects have failed to eventuate,” Mr Malinauskas said.

“Experts have predicted there will be an economic disaster when JobKeeper ends, so it is vital we get started on big infrastructure projects that will employ thousands of South Australians.”

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Mr Malinauskas said quarterly construction activity in South Australia had fallen by more than $300 million, or 9.8 per cent, since the 2018 election.

However, Mr Knoll said the State Government was embarking on the largest infrastructure spend in the state’s history - worth $12.9bn over the next four years.

On Saturday industry heavyweights outlined a raft of projects they believe need to be part of the infrastructure pipeline, including duplication of the Augusta Highway between Port Wakefield and Port Augusta, and a larger Adelaide tram network.

In February The Advertiser revealed no new major road or rail projects in South Australia had been included on a list of spending priorities for the nation, prepared by Infrastructure Australia.
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#4675 Post by claybro » Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:09 am

What the hell is Knoll talking about "tunnels are back on the agenda after Labour ruled them out" ?! The Libs haven't had an agenda for the N/S corridor since MATS. It did not ever include tunnels. In fact the previous Labour government did have an agenda, which incorporated a short tunnel. This guy is either and idiot, dushonest.. or both. Either way, this "survey" buys them more time of not actually doing anything.

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#4676 Post by Nort » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:38 am

claybro wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:09 am
What the hell is Knoll talking about "tunnels are back on the agenda after Labour ruled them out" ?! The Libs haven't had an agenda for the N/S corridor since MATS. It did not ever include tunnels. In fact the previous Labour government did have an agenda, which incorporated a short tunnel. This guy is either and idiot, dushonest.. or both. Either way, this "survey" buys them more time of not actually doing anything.
It's a silly thing to say unless they have committed to building a tunnel, because then it just looks foolish if they come back and say that the previous government was correct when they ruled out a tunnel as being too difficult.

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#4677 Post by d3v310per » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:50 am

DPTI work at less than snails pace...under both persuasions of Government. It's almost as if DPTI have been caught by surprise there is a need to upgrade South Road. Serious lack of forward planning which is of course dictated by the woeful practice of 'projects within election cycles' by Liberal and Labor. We deserve better but alas the monkeys in DPTI are a protected species.

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#4678 Post by Mr Messy » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:54 am

It's almost as if DPTI have had their funding cut year after year to the point they can no longer function properly

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#4679 Post by claybro » Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:34 am

Mr Messy wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:54 am
It's almost as if DPTI have had their funding cut year after year to the point they can no longer function properly

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Didn't the Libs promise a dedicated infrastructure department to look after all this stuff? Is this departments sole purpose to implement studies for over the top options that will never see the light of day and just allow further delay? :sly: As inadequate as the DPTI have proven to be over the last decade, i'm not sure the blame in this case lies entirely with them.

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#4680 Post by how good is he » Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:15 pm

Im wondering if they are stretching it out because of funding? I know the Fed Govt committed $5b but if the total estimate is $11b (seemingly ridiculously high), are they stalling until they can afford it? I mean they have also committed to other big billion dollar projects like the New W&C so how much has the State Govt got left to spend on top of the $30b debt (and likely falling revenues)?

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