News & Discussion: Regional Transport

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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#556 Post by ginzahikari » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:26 pm

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Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:23 pm
Murray Bridge and Bordertown do not deserve rail services, based on their population and therefore the number of people travelling to Adelaide.

Regional South Australia does not have the population to justify any regional rail. Maybe, just maybe in 2150 when Port Pirie, Port Augusta all have poulations over 50,000 then a regional rail service to the Iron Triangle could be considered.

The best approach to the closure of the Overland (in my opinion) is just to "suck it up" and hope the state government use that money for something positive.
I believe this should be the opposite. It should be the regional rail service attracting people to move to towns in the Mid North and along the Dukes Hwy as they get an extra choice to access Adelaide. Just look at Victoria. Also I think the interstate terminal should be relocated to Adelaide Railway Station to attract more passengers.

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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#557 Post by claybro » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:55 pm

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The killer issue is the Adelaide Hills. It means that it takes a bus on the Freeway about an hour less to Murray Bridge. Perth doesn't really have that issue.

I'm not sure why there's a need for a train when buses do it faster for local and regional trips, and planes for direct connection. There's no case for a train.

Perth absolutely has the same steep scarp and winding track out of Perth as Adelaide. The trick is using smaller lighter faster more modern trains of 3 cars as opposed to a multiple carriage train, half empty and hauled by a clunking great 1960's style diesel.

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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#558 Post by rubberman » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:09 pm

claybro wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:55 pm
rubberman wrote:
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The killer issue is the Adelaide Hills. It means that it takes a bus on the Freeway about an hour less to Murray Bridge. Perth doesn't really have that issue.

I'm not sure why there's a need for a train when buses do it faster for local and regional trips, and planes for direct connection. There's no case for a train.

Perth absolutely has the same steep scarp and winding track out of Perth as Adelaide. The trick is using smaller lighter faster more modern trains of 3 cars as opposed to a multiple carriage train, half empty and hauled by a clunking great 1960's style diesel.
It doesn't look that way on the topographic maps I've seen.

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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#559 Post by Eurostar » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:02 pm

When airlines charge excessive amounts of dollars when there is popular AFL matches in Melbourne if The Overland was run with a diesel multiple unit train overnight at say $100 , the train would be sold out

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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#560 Post by rubberman » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:23 pm

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Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:02 pm
When airlines charge excessive amounts of dollars when there is popular AFL matches in Melbourne if The Overland was run with a diesel multiple unit train overnight at say $100 , the train would be sold out
While they've got the carriages, they could do that during peak times, such as you say. However, a daily service that takes longer than the bus? And still has to be subsidised? Nah.

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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#561 Post by 1NEEDS2POST » Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:06 pm

This is what we need for a better Overland:
  • Variable gauge, so that it can drive into ARS and use the Ararat Line
  • Tilt train, so that it can run at greater cant deficiency through the hills
  • Diesel power
Spain has similar requirements to the above, so let's look there. They have the Talgo 250, which looks like the perfect candidate for a better Overland.

https://www.talgo.com/en/rolling-stock/ ... /250-dual/

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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#562 Post by Goodsy » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:24 pm


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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#563 Post by Waewick » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:49 pm

Well played Marshall

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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#564 Post by OlympusAnt » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:47 pm

This country is still paying for the inept colonies who couldn't agree on which rail gauge to use. Rail transport in this country has always been a mess of narrow, standard and broad gauge, resulting in disconnection of key corridors and incompatibility across networks.

It simply has been too inefficient to transport by rail. Its the best method on paper, but it took too long to standardise the cross country routes.
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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#565 Post by Ho Really » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:29 pm

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Well played Marshall
Yes indeed. Better the space mission control centre at Lot 14 any day.

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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#566 Post by Heardy_101 » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:26 pm

1NEEDS2POST wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:06 pm
This is what we need for a better Overland:
  • Variable gauge, so that it can drive into ARS and use the Ararat Line
  • Tilt train, so that it can run at greater cant deficiency through the hills
  • Diesel power
Spain has similar requirements to the above, so let's look there. They have the Talgo 250, which looks like the perfect candidate for a better Overland.

https://www.talgo.com/en/rolling-stock/ ... /250-dual/
Too expensive.

Better off having Duel gauge going into ARS and the other lines.
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Re: News & Discussion: Regional Transport

#567 Post by OlympusAnt » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:13 pm

PeFe wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:34 pm
claybro wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:12 pm
The demise of the overland really seemed to accelerate once they started diverting through Geelong. It is just too slow and indirect. I cant understand why a city of 5 million and a city of 1.3 million only 700km apart cannot make a regular daily service work, or even twice daily especially in football season, using smaller/faster cheaper to run V/Locity trains. And no- the Labor idea of just throwing a million here and there at the dinosoar Overland is not the way to go either.
Beecause the train takes 10 HOURS and the plane takes 50 MINUTES.......

Inter-city train travel works well in small densely populated areas.....this is definitely not South Australia nor Victoria.
The train wins on trips around 4 and a half hours. After that, the plane wins.
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