[PRO] Aldinga Rail Extension | $800m

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[PRO] Aldinga Rail Extension | $800m

#1 Post by Port Adelaide Fan » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:56 pm

Not sure if it should be here or in the Seaford one.
TRAINS with the capacity to reach speeds up to 260km/h will travel to Aldinga as part of the $800 million rail extension from Seaford, a council briefing has been told.

Transport Department spokesman Gareth Evans outlined the government's two preferred rail routes from Seaford to Aldinga at an Onkaparinga Council meeting this week.

One would travel alongside Main South Rd and down to Aldinga, and the other along Commercial Rd.

Work is currently underway on the Noarlunga to Seaford rail extension. Upon its completion a further extension to Aldinga is planned, with the State Government already in the process of planning a preferred route.

Mr Evans said the trains, which have already been purchased for the southern rail extension, would be capable of reaching 260km/h, although the bends along the proposed routes meant they were likely to travel at about 130km/h.

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[PRO] Re: Fast trains planned for Adelaide's south

#2 Post by metro » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:20 pm

I am curious as to why the south is getting another rail extension with Australia's first high speed rail line, yet the North cant even get electrified. :sly:

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[PRO] Re: Fast trains planned for Adelaide's south

#3 Post by Nort » Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:11 pm

metro wrote:I am curious as to why the south is getting another rail extension with Australia's first high speed rail line, yet the North cant even get electrified. :sly:
Did you read the article? The trains aren't going to be going that fast, the line isn't designed for it.

It's a bit like if they posted an article saying ADELAIDES TAXI DRIVERS TO GET NEW CABS CAPABLE OF 200KMPH, irrelevant since they will never actually go that fast.

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[PRO] Re: Fast trains planned for Adelaide's south

#4 Post by Hooligan » Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:18 pm

Didn't the government put a stop to acquiring land for the the Aldinga extension in the last budget?

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[PRO] Re: Fast trains planned for Adelaide's south

#5 Post by AG » Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:36 pm

Flying pigs are more likely than sending trains at 260km/h down to Aldinga. Very specific track technology required for those sorts of speeds, and I doubt its viability for a section of corridor likely to have relatively low patronage compared to the rest of the line.

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[PRO] Re: Fast trains planned for Adelaide's south

#6 Post by 85trainfan » Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:46 pm

metro wrote:I am curious as to why the south is getting another rail extension with Australia's first high speed rail line, yet the North cant even get electrified. :sly:
Pre election stunt, :D Some areas down sth have already started getting material from both major parties (fed and local)
AG wrote:Flying pigs are more likely than sending trains at 260km/h down to Aldinga. Very specific track technology required for those sorts of speeds, and I doubt its viability for a section of corridor likely to have relatively low patronage compared to the rest of the line.
If placed into the right area, coupled with a massive Park N Ride (at least 3-400 parking spaces) Aldinga would generate a reasonable amount of patronage.
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metro wrote:I am curious as to why the south is getting another rail extension with Australia's first high speed rail line, yet the North cant even get electrified. :sly:
Did you read the article? The trains aren't going to be going that fast, the line isn't designed for it.

It's a bit like if they posted an article saying ADELAIDES TAXI DRIVERS TO GET NEW CABS CAPABLE OF 200KMPH, irrelevant since they will never actually go that fast.
Even the current Extension to Seaford is only rated for 130Kmph running (if we ever see that speed over here)
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[PRO] Re: Fast trains planned for Adelaide's south

#7 Post by skyliner » Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:31 pm

metro wrote:I am curious as to why the south is getting another rail extension with Australia's first high speed rail line, yet the North cant even get electrified. :sly:
I agree Metro - it all seems back to front - if the money is REALLY there to get such trains to Aldinga, then the electification of the Gawler line is still possible and much more needed. Also, speeds such as 260 KPH are utter rot given the track available now. Huge expenses needed to get the track to a suitable condition.

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#8 Post by mattblack » Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:20 am

You guys are not being serious are you? You complain when there is not forward planning being undertaken and then you complain when there is? There is no suggestion that this is being funded anytime soon let alone construction starting before the rest of the system is fully electrified.

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[PRO] Re: Fast trains planned for Adelaide's south

#9 Post by claybro » Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:28 am

I think if the announcement had been that funding was being provided for the planning stage of a future Seaford Aldinga extension, rather than the more sensational headline grabbing 260km/h trains rubbish, then it would have had more credibility, and not offended those whose projects had been canned in the recent budget.Why even mention 260 km/h. We all know trains go that fast,.. No wonder our pollies and councils have no credibility.

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[PRO] Re: Fast trains planned for Adelaide's south

#10 Post by Nort » Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:06 am

claybro wrote:I think if the announcement had been that funding was being provided for the planning stage of a future Seaford Aldinga extension, rather than the more sensational headline grabbing 260km/h trains rubbish, then it would have had more credibility, and not offended those whose projects had been canned in the recent budget.Why even mention 260 km/h. We all know trains go that fast,.. No wonder our pollies and councils have no credibility.
Here is all that was said:
Adelaidenow yesterday reported that Mr Evans said while the trains would be capable of reaching 260km/h, they were likely to travel at about 130km/h because of bends along the proposed route.
No credibility? Do you know the context in which it came up? Did someone ask him how fast they would go and if so should he have refused to answer?

Some people just seem to love complaining about everything!

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#11 Post by fabricator » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:56 pm

Nort wrote:
claybro wrote:I think if the announcement had been that funding was being provided for the planning stage of a future Seaford Aldinga extension, rather than the more sensational headline grabbing 260km/h trains rubbish, then it would have had more credibility, and not offended those whose projects had been canned in the recent budget.Why even mention 260 km/h. We all know trains go that fast,.. No wonder our pollies and councils have no credibility.
Here is all that was said:
Adelaidenow yesterday reported that Mr Evans said while the trains would be capable of reaching 260km/h, they were likely to travel at about 130km/h because of bends along the proposed route.
No credibility? Do you know the context in which it came up? Did someone ask him how fast they would go and if so should he have refused to answer?

Some people just seem to love complaining about everything!
Its all nonsense, the A-trains on order are nothing more than electric versions of the vlocity trains used in Victoria, which have a top speed of 160km/h. Methinks the reporter cannot read his own hand writing, and thinks it was a 2 instead of a 1. Proof is also that no other news organization has published this story, if we were really getting true high speed trains it would be all over the TV news, the ABC website etc.

260km/h is entry level TGV/bullet train speeds, which would cost a lot more money. The extra cost being more powerfull drive, more aerodynamic body, better suspension. In otherwords its inconcevable that the government would order such or train, or Bombardier design a train so well in excess of what a client needs.
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#12 Post by Verbatim9 » Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:10 pm

Best to plan a line as far as Victor Harbour as its a population hub and tourist destination. People could then use the train to ADL - Airport to connect with fights etc.....It would also take pressure off road infrastructure as long as the (emu) train would reach reasonable speeds of a 160kph, a typical journey would only take max an hour over an 80km route

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[PRO] Re: Fast trains planned for Adelaide's south

#13 Post by Nort » Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:22 pm

Verbatim9 wrote:Best to plan a line as far as Victor Harbour as its a population hub and tourist destination. People could then use the train to ADL - Airport to connect with fights etc.....It would also take pressure off road infrastructure as long as the (emu) train would reach reasonable speeds of a 160kph, a typical journey would only take max an hour over an 80km route
The suburban train network extending to Victor Harbor is one of those things I would absolutely love to see.

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[PRO] Re: Fast trains planned for Adelaide's south

#14 Post by bay transit » Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:28 pm

fabricator wrote:
Nort wrote:
claybro wrote:I think if the announcement had been that funding was being provided for the planning stage of a future Seaford Aldinga extension, rather than the more sensational headline grabbing 260km/h trains rubbish, then it would have had more credibility, and not offended those whose projects had been canned in the recent budget.Why even mention 260 km/h. We all know trains go that fast,.. No wonder our pollies and councils have no credibility.
Here is all that was said:
Adelaidenow yesterday reported that Mr Evans said while the trains would be capable of reaching 260km/h, they were likely to travel at about 130km/h because of bends along the proposed route.
No credibility? Do you know the context in which it came up? Did someone ask him how fast they would go and if so should he have refused to answer?

Some people just seem to love complaining about everything!
Its all nonsense, the A-trains on order are nothing more than electric versions of the vlocity trains used in Victoria, which have a top speed of 160km/h. Methinks the reporter cannot read his own hand writing, and thinks it was a 2 instead of a 1. Proof is also that no other news organization has published this story, if we were really getting true high speed trains it would be all over the TV news, the ABC website etc.

260km/h is entry level TGV/bullet train speeds, which would cost a lot more money. The extra cost being more powerfull drive, more aerodynamic body, better suspension. In otherwords its inconcevable that the government would order such or train, or Bombardier design a train so well in excess of what a client needs.

The reporter did not make a mistake he reported word for word from a DTPI media release-seems some people have interpreted it several ways!

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[PRO] #PRO: Aldinga Rail Extension | $800m

#15 Post by fabricator » Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:12 pm

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sout ... 6444557177
TWO train stations proposed for the $800 million rail extension to Aldinga are in the wrong place, Onkaparinga Council says.

The State Government's proposal for the new train line includes stops in Maslin Beach, Bowering Hill and near the Galilee Catholic School, in Aldinga.

Onkaparinga Mayor Lorraine Rosenberg said the trains should stop near the planned new suburb of Seaford Heights instead of Bowering Hill.

"The whole premise of when we heard Seaford Heights was going to be released for housing was that it was a potential ... site for a railway station," Ms Rosenberg said.

"If there is not going to be a station at Seaford Heights, then they need to be really serious about the size of the park and ride at Seaford."

Ms Rosenberg also said the Aldinga station should be built near the Aldinga Central Shopping Centre on Aldinga Beach Rd, instead of the school.

Councillors raised concerns about the proposed train stations with Transport Department spokesman Gareth Evans at a council briefing last month.

In his presentation to the council, Mr Evans outlined the Government's two preferred rail routes and also revealed:

TEN residential properties would need to be acquired for the project.

ONE proposed route would travel alongside Main South Rd and the other along Commercial Rd.

A LARGE park and ride area would be installed at the Aldinga stop.

THE train line would run through the Rocla mine site in Maslin Beach.

TRENCHES up to 20m deep would need to be dug to install the train line.

Councillor Don Chapman agreed the Government needed to reconsider the placement of the stations.

He also said it should consider building the train line along Old Coach Rd to coincide with the council's planned upgrade of the strip.

Mr Evans said the department would seek feedback from the council before consulting residents and businesses about the planned routes in the coming months.

But buying land for the project would not be included in the budget until 2016/2017.

A Transport Department spokeswoman would not comment on the proposal until it was released for public consultation.
Finally something official, well from the council. Start date for buying the land and total cost.
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