News & Discussion: Trams

[fishinajar]

Now we are talking tram numbers and expense, does anyone know how many trams were used at the height of the original system - seems like they were everywhere. Will be some guide to the rebuilt system as well as expenses.

ADELAIDE - TOWARDS A GREATER CITY SKYLINE

Drastically different situation and stock.

[skyliner]

I do realise this but some aspects are still relevant - ie timetabling and frequencies etc. So you don't know the number of trams then???

ADELAIDE - TOWARDS A GREATER CITY SKYLINE

[fishinajar]

I do realise this but some aspects are still relevant - ie timetabling and frequencies etc. So you don't know the number of trams then???

ADELAIDE - TOWARDS A GREATER CITY SKYLINE

Lol. No idea skyliner. Try wiki?

[EBG]

Try Adelaide tram museum at

http://www.trammuseumadelaide.com/

This gives various dates and numbers of the various batches of trams .

[PeFe]

An article from In Daily discussing the aims and progress of the AdelLink trame extensions. No new details unfortunately.

Tram planning as part of a bigger public transport picture



The next year will be pivotal in determining the future of Adelaide’s public transport system as the State Government continues its drive to significantly increase patronage.
Transport and Infrastructure Minister Stephen Mullighan says the State Government has invested $1.4 billion in public transport infrastructure in the past five years, and double that amount since 2003/04.

He points to the importance of the $160 million O-Bahn extension and the electrification and extension of existing train routes, in particular the $152.4 million Gawler line electrification and the $85 million project to take the Tonsley line through to Flinders University and Flinders Medical Centre.

A $4 million study into the new AdeLINK tram network across the CBD and inner suburbs is well underway with community consultation on a range of route operations.

A key element of the Government’s Integrated Transport and Land Use Plan (ITLUP), a range of route options for the AdeLINK network has been part of the community consultation and soon the State Government will refine the options and prepare a proposal and detailed business case.
That will determine the route of the expanded tram network.

Full article : http://indaily.com.au/news/2017/03/22/t ... t-picture/

[Haso]

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What about this sentence… Work on a city loop will begin later this year from today article –
(Link again http://indaily.com.au/news/2017/03/22/t ... t-picture/

[Llessur2002]

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What about this sentence… Work on a city loop will begin later this year from today article –
(Link again http://indaily.com.au/news/2017/03/22/t ... t-picture/

Nothing to get too excited about - the North Terrace extension is technically the first step (well, arguably the second after the West Terrace extension) of the city loop.

[OlympusAnt]

can someone explain to me why most traffic light sequences do not give trams priority

[rubberman]

can someone explain to me why most traffic light sequences do not give trams priority

Good question. To which I would add: Why do trams travel so slowly in the reserved track from South Terrace to Brighton Road, compared to the normal tram speeds from the Entercentre to City West? If anything, one would expect even faster speeds in the reserved track.

Point being, with shorter travel times facilitated by better traffic light cycles and normal tram speeds from South Tce to Brighton Rd., maybe we wouldn't need the extra trams for Nth Terrace.

[Haso]

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Roadshow events about DPTI future projects.
Does anyone have some time today/tonight to find out what’s going on with North Terrace and so on…? I can’t.

Arndale shopping centre
Date: Thursday 30 March 2017
Time: 9am to 9pm
Location: outside Coles supermarket

Next one is at:

Marion shopping centre
Date: Thursday 27 April 2017
Time: 9am to 9pm
Location: opposite Angus & Coote
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[The Scooter Guy]

I assume works on North Tce will start in Mid May.

[arki]

can someone explain to me why most traffic light sequences do not give trams priority

Good question. To which I would add: Why do trams travel so slowly in the reserved track from South Terrace to Brighton Road, compared to the normal tram speeds from the Entercentre to City West? If anything, one would expect even faster speeds in the reserved track.

Point being, with shorter travel times facilitated by better traffic light cycles and normal tram speeds from South Tce to Brighton Rd., maybe we wouldn't need the extra trams for Nth Terrace.

I travel on the tram every day and the speeds on the reserved track are usually around 60km/h - nothing wrong with this IMO. The issue is as OlympusAnt rightfully points out the lack of priority for trams on signalling within the CBD and most frustratingly the tram not having right of way on King WIlliam St South. They should either prohibit right hand turns or just bite the bullet and allow hook turns.

[Torrens_5022]

The tram is a bit slow from Glenelg to South Tce, 26mins to cover 10km, in comparison the train from Brighton is 28min to cover 16km (all stops). The big problem is the 14mins the tram takes to get from South Tce to the train station. In comparison the bus takes 28mins to get to Rundle mall, the tram is about 36mins and has 5 less stops and a right of way, it should clearly take less then 28mins.

[rubberman]

The tram is a bit slow from Glenelg to South Tce, 26mins to cover 10km, in comparison the train from Brighton is 28min to cover 16km (all stops). The big problem is the 14mins the tram takes to get from South Tce to the train station. In comparison the bus takes 28mins to get to Rundle mall, the tram is about 36mins and has 5 less stops and a right of way, it should clearly take less then 28mins.

Precisely. I don’t doubt that they might get up to 60kmh occasionally. However, if that was done regularly, how is it possible that it is slower than the Anzac Highway bus, with more stops and having to negotiate traffic? I'd also point out that the Anzac Highway bus has front door loading, whereas the trams load/unload all doors, so even dwell times at tram stops should be lower. The ONLY variable making trams slower over this comparable stretch is average track speed. Physics.

[arki]

The tram is a bit slow from Glenelg to South Tce, 26mins to cover 10km, in comparison the train from Brighton is 28min to cover 16km (all stops). The big problem is the 14mins the tram takes to get from South Tce to the train station. In comparison the bus takes 28mins to get to Rundle mall, the tram is about 36mins and has 5 less stops and a right of way, it should clearly take less then 28mins.

Precisely. I don’t doubt that they might get up to 60kmh occasionally. However, if that was done regularly, how is it possible that it is slower than the Anzac Highway bus, with more stops and having to negotiate traffic? I'd also point out that the Anzac Highway bus has front door loading, whereas the trams load/unload all doors, so even dwell times at tram stops should be lower. The ONLY variable making trams slower over this comparable stretch is average track speed. Physics.

I have noticed it often depends on the driver as well. The good ones accelerate and decelerate quickly (still ensuring a comfortable ride) while others go frustratingly slow. Does anyone know if there is an actual speed limit for the tram line?