News & Discussion: Trams

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3856 Post by SBD » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:42 pm

Listy wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:34 am
Ser Noit of Loit wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:53 pm
Listy wrote:
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Plus if the gradient at North Tce/King William is a problem for trams turning, just wait till someone points out the gradient on Frome Rd as you complete this little loop & return to North Tce.
Concept art of the tramline on Frome:
After biking up that hill for years I could have done with one of those after a long day at work! :lol:
How steep is Frome Road compared to the gradient of the tram overpass over the railway line at Goodwood (and the former one at Bowden). I guess it's steeper than King William Road?

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3857 Post by ml69 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:00 pm

There is absolutely no need to take the tram behind Adelaide Uni. STUPID IDEA.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3858 Post by rubberman » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:51 pm

SBD wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:42 pm
Listy wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:34 am
Ser Noit of Loit wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:53 pm


Concept art of the tramline on Frome:
After biking up that hill for years I could have done with one of those after a long day at work! :lol:
How steep is Frome Road compared to the gradient of the tram overpass over the railway line at Goodwood (and the former one at Bowden). I guess it's steeper than King William Road?
I suspect that the issue is the combination of a twist and a bend where the Frome and Nth Tce tracks would join. It could only work for trams with short turning radii. They exist, but I suggest nobody here knows about them.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3859 Post by rubberman » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:52 pm

Right turn Report - Damnation of Citadis

https://www.infrastructure.sa.gov.au/__ ... o_DPTI.pdf

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3860 Post by Westside » Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:21 pm

rubberman wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:52 pm
Right turn Report - Damnation of Citadis

https://www.infrastructure.sa.gov.au/__ ... o_DPTI.pdf
Did anyone else read the part where it talked about "The ultimate tram network" :roll: :
• 10-minute frequency service from/to Glenelg - Entertainment Centre
• 10-minute frequency service from/to Glenelg - North Adelaide (not constructed)
• 10-minute frequency service Glenelg - East End looping back to Glenelg via a proposed East Terrace and Gouger Street link
• 10-minute frequency shuttle from South Terrace to RAH
So that would make it a 3-4 minute frequency service to Glenelg!?? - and that assumes their loop only operates one way. Otherwise it then becomes a 2.5 minute frequency to serve lines from Glenelg to EC, NA and the loop both clockwise and anti-clockwise. Seriously. Why are DPTI listening to these fools!? :wallbash:

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3861 Post by ml69 » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:26 pm

Not directly linked to Adelaide trams but interesting FYI anyway ... the contract price for the 12km Parramatta light rail is an eye-watering $2.4bn (including all associated works)!!

http://www.parramattalightrail.nsw.gov. ... cts-signed

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3862 Post by Pistol » Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:21 pm

ml69 wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:26 pm
Not directly linked to Adelaide trams but interesting FYI anyway ... the contract price for the 12km Parramatta light rail is an eye-watering $2.4bn (including all associated works)!!

http://www.parramattalightrail.nsw.gov. ... cts-signed
Interesting tracks in that concept image...
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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3863 Post by Waewick » Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:38 pm

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3864 Post by claybro » Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:43 am

Saw on a travel show the tram system in Bordeaux without overhead wires. If this technology exists, why are we still persisting with overhead? Is it a costlier system does anyone know?

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3865 Post by rubberman » Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:03 am

claybro wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:43 am
Saw on a travel show the tram system in Bordeaux without overhead wires. If this technology exists, why are we still persisting with overhead? Is it a costlier system does anyone know?
Ask Sydney. It's only about three times as expensive as overhead wires. Oh, and Citadis trams. :wallbash:

If you want to look at possible tram system improvements, then Germany, Poland, Czech Republic, or Switzerland are the places to go. France, Spain, England, all dropped trams in the 1950s. Thus, recent developments have a huge percentage of reinventing wheels in those countries. Much of Melbourne's technology is back in the 1990s because Mr Kennett got rid of much of the know-how of the old M&MTB.

Thus, for example, while in the Czech Republic they have developed high speed turnouts for trams, Melbourne requires trams stop before each set of points because tram pointwork tech in Australia is frozen in time. Similarly, while in Germany, Poland, Czech Republic Switzerland, buses commonly mingle with trams on trams-only reservations, it doesn't happen here, thus making our systems far less flexible (eg, special event and no extra trams available? Put on some buses).

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3866 Post by PeFe » Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:54 am

claybro wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:43 am
Saw on a travel show the tram system in Bordeaux without overhead wires. If this technology exists, why are we still persisting with overhead? Is it a costlier system does anyone know?
Not only is it more expensive, it is also proprietary technology....you can only run one brand of trams across the wireless technology.

Sydney will end with 2 "different" tram systems....

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3867 Post by EBG » Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:53 pm

Some details about the French APS system to supply trams with power without wire can be found on the link:

https://www.alstom.com/aps-service-prov ... operations.
This is the proprietary of Alstom.
This system was initially very expensive and only used in areas of very high heritage buildings. APS was translated into English as "The Astronomically Priced System"

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3868 Post by SBD » Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:38 pm

EBG wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:53 pm
Some details about the French APS system to supply trams with power without wire can be found on the link:

https://www.alstom.com/aps-service-prov ... operations.
This is the proprietary of Alstom.
This system was initially very expensive and only used in areas of very high heritage buildings. APS was translated into English as "The Astronomically Priced System"
"Heritage" is different in different places. In Adelaide, the "areas of high heritage" are likely to require overhead tram power lines, as they did between 1914 and 1954. "No overheads" would be required for the "modern" places.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3869 Post by ghs (but alot worse) » Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:01 pm

SBD wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:38 pm
EBG wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:53 pm
Some details about the French APS system to supply trams with power without wire can be found on the link:

https://www.alstom.com/aps-service-prov ... operations.
This is the proprietary of Alstom.
This system was initially very expensive and only used in areas of very high heritage buildings. APS was translated into English as "The Astronomically Priced System"
"Heritage" is different in different places. In Adelaide, the "areas of high heritage" are likely to require overhead tram power lines, as they did between 1914 and 1954. "No overheads" would be required for the "modern" places.
Adelaide doesn’t have heritage. Adelaide doesn’t have anything. I hate trams. They’re a waste of time. This whole topic is a waste of time. Crawf delete it please.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#3870 Post by SBD » Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:20 pm

ghs (but alot worse) wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:01 pm
SBD wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:38 pm
EBG wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:53 pm
Some details about the French APS system to supply trams with power without wire can be found on the link:

https://www.alstom.com/aps-service-prov ... operations.
This is the proprietary of Alstom.
This system was initially very expensive and only used in areas of very high heritage buildings. APS was translated into English as "The Astronomically Priced System"
"Heritage" is different in different places. In Adelaide, the "areas of high heritage" are likely to require overhead tram power lines, as they did between 1914 and 1954. "No overheads" would be required for the "modern" places.
Adelaide doesn’t have heritage. Adelaide doesn’t have anything. I hate trams. They’re a waste of time. This whole topic is a waste of time. Crawf delete it please.
Nice troll!

I suspect trams are great where there are enough people to need a 10-minute or better service on routes that are no more than 10km, especially if the demand is spread along the route, not focused on one end, and definitely not requiring park-and-ride at the other end. O-bahn is better if the demand s diffused around one end and focussed at the other end. Conventional rail is better if there is a need for big park-and-ride one end and focused the other end. Buses are better if it's light and diffuse.

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