News & Discussion: Trams

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4261 Post by 1NEEDS2POST » Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:50 pm

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I wonder if Adelaide Metro will ever consider running most ex Glenelg trams straight through to the Entertainment Centre, and Botanic Gardens trams only to RAH and return?
By terminating Glenelg trams at RAH, it’s a faster turnaround for services since they don’t have to go all the way to the Entertainment Centre.

The Entertainment Centre to Botanic Gardens tram is effectively the foundation for a future city loop; start Ent Ctr, along Port Road and North Terrace, Hutt Street, insert whatever southern section is chosen, up West Terrace back onto Port Road to Ent Ctr, repeat. I don’t think Ent Ctr should be cut off from the North Terrace service.
Even just extending the trams to Hutt St would be a big improvement. The current Entertainment Centre to Botanic Gardens route is fairly short. It also doesn't involve doing a loop that bends back on itself.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4262 Post by rubberman » Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:38 pm

1NEEDS2POST wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:50 pm
Spotto wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:17 pm
adelaide transport wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:36 pm
I wonder if Adelaide Metro will ever consider running most ex Glenelg trams straight through to the Entertainment Centre, and Botanic Gardens trams only to RAH and return?
By terminating Glenelg trams at RAH, it’s a faster turnaround for services since they don’t have to go all the way to the Entertainment Centre.

The Entertainment Centre to Botanic Gardens tram is effectively the foundation for a future city loop; start Ent Ctr, along Port Road and North Terrace, Hutt Street, insert whatever southern section is chosen, up West Terrace back onto Port Road to Ent Ctr, repeat. I don’t think Ent Ctr should be cut off from the North Terrace service.
Even just extending the trams to Hutt St would be a big improvement. The current Entertainment Centre to Botanic Gardens route is fairly short. It also doesn't involve doing a loop that bends back on itself.
I'd suggest Hutt, then Angas, then avoiding Gouger, go along King William, turn right into Sturt, Morphett, West Terrace. Incorporate an interchange with the O-Bahn in Grenfell to feed North Terrace and City South.

As you say, Hutt St would be a good first stage. Or even Hutt then Angas to Vic Square. This also fits in with the MVA alternatives previously done.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4263 Post by claybro » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:23 am

What about Hutt into Halifax street back to KWS? This would bring it further South to serve the more residential SE corner.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4264 Post by rubberman » Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:06 pm

claybro wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:23 am
What about Hutt into Halifax street back to KWS? This would bring it further South to serve the more residential SE corner.
That was another option in the MVA. Probably better now the new stop is on the South side of Halifax/Sturt.

The Angas, King Wm, Sturt route made sense if the King Wm South stop was on the north side. That way, only one stop would have been needed, and people could have transferred between trams too.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4265 Post by Spotto » Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:25 pm

rubberman wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:06 pm
claybro wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:23 am
What about Hutt into Halifax street back to KWS? This would bring it further South to serve the more residential SE corner.
That was another option in the MVA. Probably better now the new stop is on the South side of Halifax/Sturt.

The Angas, King Wm, Sturt route made sense if the King Wm South stop was on the north side. That way, only one stop would have been needed, and people could have transferred between trams too.
I’d do Hutt, Halifax, Sturt, around Whitmore Sq up to Gouger or Grote then onto West Terrace towards Ent Ctr.

An east-west City South stop at the intersection can be a walkable platform transfer between the two lines.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4266 Post by rubberman » Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:19 am

Spotto wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:25 pm
rubberman wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:06 pm
claybro wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:23 am
What about Hutt into Halifax street back to KWS? This would bring it further South to serve the more residential SE corner.
That was another option in the MVA. Probably better now the new stop is on the South side of Halifax/Sturt.

The Angas, King Wm, Sturt route made sense if the King Wm South stop was on the north side. That way, only one stop would have been needed, and people could have transferred between trams too.
I’d do Hutt, Halifax, Sturt, around Whitmore Sq up to Gouger or Grote then onto West Terrace towards Ent Ctr.

An east-west City South stop at the intersection can be a walkable platform transfer between the two lines.
True, but that's the only option for an East West stop now. Originally, though, having a stop on the North side would give a good chance of transferring. If, however, you get out of a tram on Sturt Street to catch a tram in King William, you have to battle two light cycles. However, since the decision has been made, it is what it is.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4267 Post by Spotto » Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:04 pm

Unsure if it's been brought up before, but if the proposal to replace Hindmarsh Stadium with a new CBD stadium goes ahead, why not use some of the land for a new tram depot? The land is already owned by the State Government, it's tucked behind a mostly industrial precinct so no complaints of spoiled views or increased noise, close proximity to the current network, and Port Road/Milner Street have wide-enough medians to accomodate a single track connection to the depot (can make it pretty with grassed tracks like Vic Square). And during track maintenance and upgrades, trams still have depot access to the CBD.

Presumably the depot wouldn't need to be as large as Glengowrie as it would only cater for stabling and light maintenance, even only half of the stadium footprint would be very useful. Maybe not the perfect comparison, but the old Angas Street depot was less than half the size of Glengowrie.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4268 Post by adelaide transport » Sat Jul 27, 2019 4:48 pm

City Depot held a lot more trams than Glengowrie.
1/2 the depot held 26 H Trams(all under cover).
The other half held a lot of buses,from 1959 onwards.
Glengowriþe holds 24 trams.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4269 Post by adelaide transport » Sat Jul 27, 2019 4:49 pm

City Depot held a lot more trams than Glengowrie.
1/2 the depot held 26 H Trams(all under cover).
The other half held a lot of buses,from 1959 onwards.
Glengowrie holds 24 trams.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4270 Post by rubberman » Sat Jul 27, 2019 5:31 pm

adelaide transport wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2019 4:49 pm
City Depot held a lot more trams than Glengowrie.
1/2 the depot held 26 H Trams(all under cover).
The other half held a lot of buses,from 1959 onwards.
Glengowrie holds 24 trams.
Yebbut H cars are about 17m long, vs Flexities/Citadis a tad over 30m. So, it's hard to compare by numbers of trams.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4271 Post by Spotto » Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:19 pm

adelaide transport wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2019 4:48 pm
City Depot held a lot more trams than Glengowrie.
1/2 the depot held 26 H Trams(all under cover).
The other half held a lot of buses,from 1959 onwards.
Glengowriþe holds 24 trams.
Are you sure you’re talking about Angas Street? Sounds a lot like Hackney Depot.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4272 Post by EBG » Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:15 pm

27/7/2019Work progressing on Adelaide south Stop in king William S traffic will be reduced to 2 lanes only with right hand turns only permitted at selected intersections and the loss of parking.
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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4273 Post by adelaide transport » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:45 pm

Spotto wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:19 pm
adelaide transport wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2019 4:48 pm
City Depot held a lot more trams than Glengowrie.
1/2 the depot held 26 H Trams(all under cover).
The other half held a lot of buses,from 1959 onwards.
Glengowriþe holds 24 trams.
Are you sure you’re talking about Angas Street? Sounds a lot like Hackney Depot.
Yes I am talking about Angas Street(City Depot).Hackney Depot before any tram services were removed held a lot more trams than that.

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4274 Post by Patrick_27 » Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:21 am

EBG wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:15 pm
27/7/2019Work progressing on Adelaide south Stop in king William S traffic will be reduced to 2 lanes only with right hand turns only permitted at selected intersections and the loss of parking.
As it should, aside from the reduction in right hand turns, I've never understood why this portion of KWS has needed a). three lanes each direction when the busiest part of KWS has only two lanes, and b). an excess of street live parking. My understanding from the DPTI proposal brief was that curb replacement and other street maintenance would take place during this upgrade, the curbs look untouched in that picture. :?

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Re: News & Discussion: Trams

#4275 Post by gnrc_louis » Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:59 pm

Good tram related article from The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... SApp_Other

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