Integrating Transport Within the 30-Year Plan

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Integrating Transport Within the 30-Year Plan

#1 Post by jase111 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:15 pm

Integrating Transport Within the 30-Year Plan
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Media Release
AA040/2013
01 March 2013
Joint release with:
John Rau
SA Planning Minister
Tom Koutsantonis
SA Transport and Infrastructure Minister

The Federal Government has provided $2 million to South Australia to help it align the transport and urban development of the future.

Federal Minister for Infrastructure and Transport Anthony Albanese said the funding will help Adelaide maintain its reputation as one of the world's most liveable cities.

Mr Albanese said the Integrated Transport and Movement study will allow Adelaide to properly plan for growth.

“This study will help with future planning decisions as South Australia looks to further revitalise its road, rail, tram, and bus networks and closer integrate them with urban growth areas,” Mr Albanese said.

Transport and Infrastructure Minister Tom Koutsantonis said the study will formalise existing transport and infrastructure plans within The 30-Year Plan for Greater Adelaide.

“We've just delivered a decade of unprecedented investment in transport so now we want to discuss with South Australians how we capitalise and drive further investment,” he said.

“An Integrated Transport and Movement study will draw together data from a host of existing strategies and focus on transport not only in and around Adelaide but also across SA.”

SA Minister for Planning John Rau said the study will focus on moving people between where they live, work and play and be designed to guide private, federal, state and local government investment for the next 30 years.

“This study will help us further focus our 30-year vision for South Australia by ensuring land-use planning, strategic infrastructure and transport investment are fully integrated,” he said.

Key industry groups will provide initial input into the study and the general public will then be invited to comment on a draft response.

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For Mr Koutsantonis—Owen Brown—0437 267 997
For Mr Rau—Chris Burford—0419 567 989

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Re: Integrating Transport Within the 30-Year Plan

#2 Post by ChillyPhilly » Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:07 pm

There's gonna be a lot of wasted money on unneeded roads. Most well-enough educated people know that the 30-Year Plan is nothing other than a glossy magazine.
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#3 Post by claybro » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:21 pm

ChillyPhilly wrote: There's gonna be a lot of wasted money on unneeded roads. Most well-enough educated people know that the 30-Year Plan is nothing other than a glossy magazine.
To be fair, the 30 year plan is a very broad statement about the direction in which we are heading. It is no different to the 30 year plan for all Australian capitals. The plan itself lacks specific detail, but the details will come, as each part of the puzzel come into play... But $2MIL from the feds to go towards a transport study????How about announcing how much a total comprehensive study will cost...the timeframe for such a study, what the study aims to find, and how those findings will then be implemented into the plan. Typical federal labour hype. $2MIL???.. That wont even pay the consultants to get out of bed in the morning.

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#4 Post by rhino » Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:26 am

claybro wrote: $2MIL???.. That wont even pay the consultants to get out of bed in the morning.
Yes, I thought the figure was a little ridiculous, too.
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Re: Integrating Transport Within the 30-Year Plan

#5 Post by jase111 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:44 pm

Wasn't the north south corridor planning 70 million dollars glad they can do the whole of Adelaide for 2 million

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#6 Post by monotonehell » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:53 pm

jase111 wrote:Wasn't the north south corridor planning 70 million dollars glad they can do the whole of Adelaide for 2 million
A plan and a study are not the same thing.
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#7 Post by ChillyPhilly » Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:53 am

If transport infrastructure and/or services were to be integrated with the 30-Year Plan, all we'd be getting is a load of buses to Mt Barker, up north and down south.

Transport infrastructure should NOT follow development of an area; rather, there should be sufficient transport options before a new development is even thought of.

The 30-Year Plan is a rubbish blueprint, full of backwards ideas (like massive developments on the city fringe and outside of it to give just one example) and to integrate transport in this backwards step is a disaster waiting to happen. Just look at Mt Barker: how are those extra thousands and thousands of people going to efficiently get to and from work in metropolitan Adelaide each day? They'll have to drive, even if they wish to respect the environment or keep their spending on petrol down by driving less.

The same applies to Buckland Park, Angle Vale, etc.
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#8 Post by claybro » Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:00 pm

ChillyPhilly wrote:If transport infrastructure and/or services were to be integrated with the 30-Year Plan, all we'd be getting is a load of buses to Mt Barker, up north and down south.

Transport infrastructure should NOT follow development of an area; rather, there should be sufficient transport options before a new development is even thought of.

The 30-Year Plan is a rubbish blueprint, full of backwards ideas (like massive developments on the city fringe and outside of it to give just one example) and to integrate transport in this backwards step is a disaster waiting to happen. Just look at Mt Barker: how are those extra thousands and thousands of people going to efficiently get to and from work in metropolitan Adelaide each day? They'll have to drive, even if they wish to respect the environment or keep their spending on petrol down by driving less.

The same applies to Buckland Park, Angle Vale, etc.
Agree with your sentiment re transport that it should be part of the developement not an afterthought. All these areas should be planned with a rail link into the CBD. Busses will not suffice, especially when the SE Freeway is clogged at peak.
But you dont want developement on the outer fringes, and you dont want "massive?" developements on the CBD fringe, what you are actualy saying is you want our population capped? Just what constitutes a massive developement? 5 or 8 storeys on most of these roads would barely be noticable,Anzac highway is already lined with crappy 3 storey flats.Some nice 5-10 storey developements would be a vast inmprovement on the besser block complexes here at present. Also, the approach to adelaide on Main North Road is an eyesore. The caryards, the run down vacant buildings and empty blocks, i'm sure a few 5-8 storey towers would be much more visually stimulating than the crap there now. Ditto Port Road Thebarton and the list goes on.

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Re: Integrating Transport Within the 30-Year Plan

#9 Post by rubberman » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:03 pm

claybro wrote:Agree with your sentiment re transport that it should be part of the developement not an afterthought.
Yes, unless the transport implications of development are included, the planning is quite meaningless.

In the Main North Road example above, Claybro is quite right. This could be something to enhance one of Adelaide's main entrances to town. That area is an eyesore whose redevelopment could only improve it... and good redevelopment could really enhance Adelaide. However, just imagine O'Connell St with a few thousand more cars in the peak going to town. :shock: Without some sort of planning for how those extra vehicles are going to get past, or a parking station somewhere near Scotty's Corner feeding trams, it would be a disaster. (I am not suggesting that is the best alternative, merely that infrastructure investment of that order would be needed to make the development work).

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Re: Integrating Transport Within the 30-Year Plan

#10 Post by ChillyPhilly » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:35 pm

Just for the record 'city fringe' is metropolitan fringe. I was tired as when typing that! :lol:

I completely agree with both things said. In Adelaide foolish government after foolish government has neglected one (of many) major flaws in the flow of the public transport network: the reliance on buses to transport commuters over long distances. Buses should be used as intra-centre linkages, and connect to railway stations where possible. Also agree entirely with Main North Road needing a makeover and land use change like no tomorrow. However, I think it'll prove to be a huge challenge to properly and efficiently integrate transport with any high density development along the road. It's used mainly as a packed through-route between A and B for both freight and commuters, meaning it's really not ideal for a tramline (which would be better suited to the likes of Prospect or Churchill Roads). It's self-defeating. The option with any form of viability, and even this is highly limited in that regard, is to carve away more land for a dedicated navigable bus/car pool lane on each shoulder. But even then that would be detrimental to the flow and ebb of the road, traffic and its activity. At the same time, Rann and Co.'s main idea was to run tramways everywhere (City Loop, to Port and Semaphore, talk of one to Norwood etc), as if that was the answer to our transport woes.

To digress slightly now, let's not neglect the potential conflict between future residents of high density apartments along the road, with commuters and truckers alike. There's gonna be an awful lot of complaints about truck noise by the hundreds of people living along Main North Road unless windows are triple glazed and walls doubly insulated. Not ideal and shows poor thinking. Building on what I said earlier Main North Road presents an interesting situation in terms of transport integration. To make any development worthwhile, maximise land values and ensure the best quality of life for anyone taking up residence in apartments, freight traffic needs to be diverted somehow. Yet in doing that you'll only be moving the issue of noise and traffic to a different road. Can never win :?
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Re: Integrating Transport Within the 30-Year Plan

#11 Post by claybro » Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:04 pm

There are many examples of appartment developements adjacent to highways and freeways elsewhere, and when developed and designed properly, can turn out ok. Part of the problem here in Adelaide is that our main roads are not very attractive. Other cities have gone to some lengths to make their highways more attractive, and this would be a must with such developements. Some people are happy to offset the associated noise issues for the convinience of living near the CBD.Some even like the vibrancy of the traffic believe it or not. I for one would rather live adjacent to Scottys corner in a well designed affordable appartment with a view, than in a duplex on Salisbury Highway or South Road at Darlington. A central locations convinience in a more afluent suburb for me would win every time, and there are many immigrants who are well used to this lifestyle, having come from conjested cities overseas.

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