Toll Roads in Adelaide

Threads relating to transport, water, etc. within the CBD and Metropolitan area.
Message
Author
Waewick
Super Size Scraper Poster!
Posts: 3329
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:39 pm
Has thanked: 53 times
Been thanked: 97 times

Re: #Pro: Existing major highways to become toll roads

#241 Post by Waewick » Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:20 am

well given what IA have just said it looks likely, howeve it appears that it will be run by the Government

I actually support the idea of paying to use a road and getting rid of the levies and rego fees.

I assume which ever party that is not in power when these ideas are tested will obviously be against them.

User avatar
monotonehell
VIP Member
VIP Member
Posts: 5466
Joined: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:10 am
Location: Adelaide, East End.
Has thanked: 192 times
Been thanked: 287 times
Contact:

Re: #Pro: Existing major highways to become toll roads

#242 Post by monotonehell » Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:25 am

Waewick wrote:...I assume which ever party that is not in power when these ideas are tested will obviously be against them.
Yes, lol it's a bit of a poisonous policy for whoever puts the bill forward.

Although, rego fees do not fund road infrastructure. They are (supposed) to cover the cost of making sure a vehicle is road worthy.
Exit on the right in the direction of travel.

Waewick
Super Size Scraper Poster!
Posts: 3329
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:39 pm
Has thanked: 53 times
Been thanked: 97 times

Re: #Pro: Existing major highways to become toll roads

#243 Post by Waewick » Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:30 am

monotonehell wrote:
Waewick wrote:...I assume which ever party that is not in power when these ideas are tested will obviously be against them.
Yes, lol it's a bit of a poisonous policy for whoever puts the bill forward.

Although, rego fees do not fund road infrastructure. They are (supposed) to cover the cost of making sure a vehicle is road worthy.
ha, i didn't know that. that is hilarious.

User avatar
monotonehell
VIP Member
VIP Member
Posts: 5466
Joined: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:10 am
Location: Adelaide, East End.
Has thanked: 192 times
Been thanked: 287 times
Contact:

Re: #Pro: Existing major highways to become toll roads

#244 Post by monotonehell » Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:37 am

Waewick wrote:
monotonehell wrote:
Waewick wrote:...I assume which ever party that is not in power when these ideas are tested will obviously be against them.
Yes, lol it's a bit of a poisonous policy for whoever puts the bill forward.

Although, rego fees do not fund road infrastructure. They are (supposed) to cover the cost of making sure a vehicle is road worthy.
ha, i didn't know that. that is hilarious.
(Same story with stamp duty, but in a post GST Australia reality does not necessarily follow intent. They all go into general revenue and are used for whatever.)
Exit on the right in the direction of travel.

realstretts
Gold-Member ;)
Posts: 82
Joined: Sat Feb 07, 2015 6:39 pm
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 19 times

Re: #Pro: Existing major highways to become toll roads

#245 Post by realstretts » Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:39 pm

Provided the cost to use roads is commensurate with the amount of damage (environmental and physical) the vehicle of choice does and the congestion it contributes too then I am happy with that.

I ride a bicycle :)

Waewick
Super Size Scraper Poster!
Posts: 3329
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:39 pm
Has thanked: 53 times
Been thanked: 97 times

Re: #Pro: Existing major highways to become toll roads

#246 Post by Waewick » Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:42 pm

realstretts wrote:Provided the cost to use roads is commensurate with the amount of damage (environmental and physical) the vehicle of choice does and the congestion it contributes too then I am happy with that.

I ride a bicycle :)
I think you'll pay the same then

realstretts
Gold-Member ;)
Posts: 82
Joined: Sat Feb 07, 2015 6:39 pm
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 19 times

Re: #Pro: Existing major highways to become toll roads

#247 Post by realstretts » Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:36 pm

Waewick wrote:
realstretts wrote:Provided the cost to use roads is commensurate with the amount of damage (environmental and physical) the vehicle of choice does and the congestion it contributes too then I am happy with that.

I ride a bicycle :)
I think you'll pay the same then
Gotta love my morning commute to work past hundreds of cars holding each other up.

Waewick
Super Size Scraper Poster!
Posts: 3329
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:39 pm
Has thanked: 53 times
Been thanked: 97 times

Re: #Pro: Existing major highways to become toll roads

#248 Post by Waewick » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:17 am

Well briefly listening to our top class minister mulligan he is already refering to it as tolls and won't happen.

People like him need to be removed from office.

User avatar
monotonehell
VIP Member
VIP Member
Posts: 5466
Joined: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:10 am
Location: Adelaide, East End.
Has thanked: 192 times
Been thanked: 287 times
Contact:

Re: #Pro: Existing major highways to become toll roads

#249 Post by monotonehell » Thu Feb 18, 2016 11:30 am

If they're intending to toll all roads then they should just stick with fuel excise. It's so much easier to administer. The overheads and bureaucracy to administer what the Libs want to do would be wasteful.

The stickler here is that motor registration has become a defacto revenue stream for the states instead of the fee for registration it is supposed to be (like stamp duty), and they won't want to let that go. Seems that this proposal might be a scheme to wrest more revenue control away from the states?
Exit on the right in the direction of travel.

Waewick
Super Size Scraper Poster!
Posts: 3329
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:39 pm
Has thanked: 53 times
Been thanked: 97 times

Re: #Pro: Existing major highways to become toll roads

#250 Post by Waewick » Thu Feb 18, 2016 11:46 am

monotonehell wrote:If they're intending to toll all roads then they should just stick with fuel excise. It's so much easier to administer. The overheads and bureaucracy to administer what the Libs want to do would be wasteful.

The stickler here is that motor registration has become a defacto revenue stream for the states instead of the fee for registration it is supposed to be (like stamp duty), and they won't want to let that go. Seems that this proposal might be a scheme to wrest more revenue control away from the states?
it wasn't a libs idea it was an infrastructure idea.

you know for once in my life I would love SA to just enage in a concept rather than just complaining about it and try to point out all the hard things that we just don't understand.

I don't believe it would be that hard to administor (otherwise it wouldn't have been suggested) and I do believe it would be fairer even to the phantom poor people every talks about.

as part of the debate, we may actually end up having a real conversation and also address PT issues

or we can do what Australians do very very well, complain about it endlessly till it goes away, then in a few months complain that the Governments don't do anything.

bits
Legendary Member!
Posts: 518
Joined: Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:24 pm
Has thanked: 24 times
Been thanked: 92 times

Re: #Pro: Existing major highways to become toll roads

#251 Post by bits » Thu Feb 18, 2016 12:48 pm

Waewick wrote:
I don't believe it would be that hard to administor (otherwise it wouldn't have been suggested) and I do believe it would be fairer even to the phantom poor people every talks about.
Taxing fuel is surely the easiest way to do this. It taxes distance and weight.
I think the only reason we are discussing this is because of electric cars which makes the current pay for use system fail.
Leave fuel tax for existing cars and invent some automatic system for new electric cars. Surely be cheapest option.
Last edited by bits on Thu Feb 18, 2016 1:32 pm, edited 1 time in total.

muzzamo
Legendary Member!
Posts: 928
Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:44 pm
Been thanked: 14 times

Re: #Pro: Existing major highways to become toll roads

#252 Post by muzzamo » Thu Feb 18, 2016 1:07 pm

bits wrote:Taxing fuel is surely the easiest way to do this. It taxes distance and weight.
But it doesn't tax based on the road that you on and the time of day you are using it, and therefore doesn't discourage people from using the busiest roads at the busiest times. Its all about putting levers in place that encourage more efficient use of resources which in turn leads to a stronger economy for all of us.

User avatar
Llessur2002
Legendary Member!
Posts: 1316
Joined: Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:59 pm
Location: West Croydon
Has thanked: 363 times
Been thanked: 567 times

Re: #Pro: Existing major highways to become toll roads

#253 Post by Llessur2002 » Thu Feb 18, 2016 1:26 pm

License plate recognition cameras coupled with automatic charging for driving into the City in peak hours or driving on certain roads at certain times of day. The technology exists and works very successfully - including in the City of London.

Concessions could easily be applied to certain vehicles for people with disabilities, low-income etc (although granted this would leave some scope for registering vehicles to a friend/family member who applies for a concession - I'm sure this could be addressed somehow).

Granted, this probably isn't a state or nation-wide solution but would work well to reduce city-based traffic.

bits
Legendary Member!
Posts: 518
Joined: Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:24 pm
Has thanked: 24 times
Been thanked: 92 times

Re: #Pro: Existing major highways to become toll roads

#254 Post by bits » Thu Feb 18, 2016 1:37 pm

muzzamo wrote: But it doesn't tax based on the road that you on and the time of day you are using it, and therefore doesn't discourage people from using the busiest roads at the busiest times.
Sure it does.
Sitting in traffic takes fuel. Open road I get about 8l/100km city peak hour is more like 14l/100km.

Waewick
Super Size Scraper Poster!
Posts: 3329
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:39 pm
Has thanked: 53 times
Been thanked: 97 times

Re: #Pro: Existing major highways to become toll roads

#255 Post by Waewick » Thu Feb 18, 2016 1:48 pm

muzzamo wrote:
bits wrote:Taxing fuel is surely the easiest way to do this. It taxes distance and weight.
But it doesn't tax based on the road that you on and the time of day you are using it, and therefore doesn't discourage people from using the busiest roads at the busiest times. Its all about putting levers in place that encourage more efficient use of resources which in turn leads to a stronger economy for all of us.
Congestion tax could follow.

But what it does is give a price point to the car.

Right now I hop in the car without a second thought as the immediate cost is 0 ( I incur petrol, rego and wear and tear independently )

Under this idea, I could look at it and say $5 to drive into the city or $3.60 to catch the bus.

That immediate feedback would be a trigger for many.

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 9 guests